100 points linolevan 3 hours ago 68 comments
pen2l 2 hours ago | parent
Distillation works: we can get models leaner, have better performance with lesser and lesser parameters, more efficient, running locally. Apple gets this and we'll see the result with M7 Max/ultra chips and I reckon this will be one of the titular apps when M7 line of chips are introduced.
I guess it explains the haste Anthropic and OpenAI are in to IPO, cash out and leave the the retail investor holding the bag.
bigyabai 2 hours ago | parent
Factoring in the increased cost of memory, Apple's threatened service revenue and the stagnation of ecosystem products like the Mac and iPad, I think they have a really challenging future to navigate. The whole "sell people a B2C ecosystem" business model is more threatened than ever.
pen2l 2 hours ago | parent
bigyabai 2 hours ago | parent
jmuguy 56 minutes ago | parent
Affric 41 minutes ago | parent
Capability is one thing but a focus on the actual product, as an teleological destination that is built rather than something cobbled together as a solution to a problem about how to sell what you have generally has taken them the right way.
n_u 2 hours ago | parent
Right now 128GB MacBook is the top of the line and you could do Qwen 3.8 Flash or similar.
There is a rumor that the M7 chip can use 1.5TB of memory which would imply Apple is aiming for more memory on devices.[1]
Would that imply the entry-level MacBook will have 128GB and top of the line models could run larger reasoning models? Then the question is price and if any of this will translate to iPhone for on-phone models.
With how expensive memory is, IDK if they can pull this off but I hope they do
[1] https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/semiconductors/ap...
detourdog 2 hours ago | parent
bigyabai 2 hours ago | parent
Even so, DDR5 is so high-demand that it's likely that Apple can't outbid customers like Nvidia or OpenAI when they drive the margins they do.
detourdog 1 hour ago | parent
kingleopold 12 minutes ago | parent
detourdog 5 minutes ago | parent
toufka 2 hours ago | parent
If Apple, in 2030 has a compute product that a worker can BYO(X) to work that has 2TB RAM, with an encrypted personalized context that can float between agents, then they will be in a very interesting place.
asdff 45 minutes ago | parent
bix6 18 minutes ago | parent
bronco21016 15 minutes ago | parent
codebje 8 minutes ago | parent
aurmc 6 minutes ago | parent
And with a device like this, you pay one single time to buy the product and then never have to think about paying for tokens ever again. For ordinary users that's silly, but for users or businesses chewing through lots of tokens, this means they can create their own turnkey replacement for "the cloud" where the only cost after purchasing the machine is the electricity to run it (which with these machines is very little). Mix that with the privacy benefits and suddenly it makes a lot of sense.
bradknowles 41 minutes ago | parent
But the family shouldn’t be limited by that. We’re not going to see M6 Max hardware, because the M7 line is being fast-tracked and pulled forward. And I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see M7 capable of 1-2TB or more.
nomel 2 hours ago | parent
Where I am, it's cheaper to purchase multiple claude subscriptions than it is for the power bill from running a local model. Factor in the hardware costs, and you're looking at a break over a decade in the future, for comparable cloud models. Yes, there's privacy, etc, but now you're down into fractions of a percent of users who care about the government reading the memory of their computer.
myphpgothacked 1 hour ago | parent
If you are an investor, you should remember they are a fashion product more than a tech company.
If you are a user, you should remember they are a fashion company more than a tech company.
cyanydeez 1 hour ago | parent
api 1 hour ago | parent
It's not comparable to huge models of course, but given the power/size ratio here it shows that serious gains are on the table for models that can run fast on a high-end laptop.
leftnode 1 hour ago | parent
At some point, the real cost of inference/intelligence is going to come due, and the existing open source models will be good enough for 95% of tasks users want (or training their own model(s) will be inexpensive for Apple).
Apple will be there, as usual, to provide secure, on-device, faster inference that the vast majority of their customers will be fine with. Let everyone incur the R&D costs.
iknowstuff 1 hour ago | parent
bix6 17 minutes ago | parent
gherkinnn 12 minutes ago | parent
credit_guy 58 minutes ago | parent
I don't think so. LLM inference enjoys huge economies of scale. At no point in the foreseeable future will a local model be able to compete with a cloud model in terms of price. Local models will have the privacy angle, but very few people will be willing to pay top dollar for that. There will be some people, for sure, but the vast majority will just use cloud models.
edot 34 minutes ago | parent
bix6 20 minutes ago | parent
gherkinnn 17 minutes ago | parent
What new bike should I get? How should I rephrase this email? What to do about my persistent headaches? Recipes based on these ingredients?
tmp10423288442 12 minutes ago | parent
iAMkenough 6 minutes ago | parent
It'll become easier and more affordable to distill/train/optimize smaller local models to meet your specific work needs. Multi-agent efforts will orchestrate the balance between using on-prem hardware for most tasks, and then defer to cloud models for more demanding/edge-case tasks. Especially if an organization can manage what data is shared with which model.
I also expect cloud providers to eventually start charging different rates for on-peak and off-peak usage, which would incentivize running what you can with the local compute you have otherwise sitting idle across dozens to hundreds of machines in your fleet.
I could be wrong and all your future hardware purchases will be glorified thin clients, with less local processing capabilities than today's laptops, servers, and towers.
ijidak 4 minutes ago | parent
In the mainframe's heyday, it was difficult to grasp a world in which compute became so dense and so cheap that it made sense for each individual to have all processing and memory on their desk, talk less of on their lap and in their hand.
Of course this time could be different. But, when we look at previous relentless progress in compute and efficiency, then also couple that with the breakthroughs AI itself unlocks, it's hard for me to imagine that centralized AI will meet both the scale and flexibility desired for all use cases.
Just as centralized compute never fully disappeared -- it took the form of client-server computing and the cloud, there's no question that centralized inference will continue to exist.
But it wouldn't surprise me if, ten years from now, 90% of global inference happens at the client.
While simultaneously, the 10% of inference that takes place in the datacenter is wildly lucrative and orders of magnitude greater than today.
Put simply: the inference pie may become so large that both client and datacenter win.
bradknowles 43 minutes ago | parent
Apple and Microsoft and other companies will own that front-end experience with the customer, and it’s not going to matter to most customers whose backend gets used for what.
MBCook 2 hours ago | parent
They desperately need to fix that.
q4y2u35uk 2 hours ago | parent
w10-1 2 hours ago | parent
detourdog 1 hour ago | parent
simonw 1 hour ago | parent
There's a name I haven't heard in a long time! Claris (always an Apple subsidiary, since being founded in 1987) renamed themselves to FileMaker in 1998, but apparently they rebranded back to Claris in 2019.
Looks like they've mostly just released annual upgrades to FileMaker for the past decade, but they did add MCP to it last year: https://www.claris.com/blog/2025/why-mcp-matters-for-claris-...
oidar 1 hour ago | parent
myphpgothacked 1 hour ago | parent
Users will praise it still. What's the phrase, Apple distortion field?
zf00002 1 hour ago | parent
liuliu 1 hour ago | parent
jedbrooke 1 hour ago | parent
This seems like the main way it would differentiate itself over existing solutions like LMStudio etc.
chews 1 hour ago | parent
gizmodo59 1 hour ago | parent
maipen 1 hour ago | parent
I don’t find it reasonable at all. Subsidized Subscriptions or api for cheaper models, is the best value.
But the future of AI is so uncertain, regarding model sizes. I don’t think making huge hardware investments is reasonable for individuals.
EddieRingle 29 minutes ago | parent
If you buy your own hardware, then after those four years you still have that hardware, and it likely still holds significant value. Plus you know the local model you're running today won't change or suddenly degrade in four months, let alone four years. Whereas after four years of paying subscriptions and API costs, you have literally nothing.
SoftTalker 12 minutes ago | parent
tonymet 38 minutes ago | parent
t-3 16 minutes ago | parent
tonymet 9 minutes ago | parent
kenferry 29 minutes ago | parent
Claris?? Ok, this sounds like it's just someone's personal project. Something like this that was actually going to ship would be in a different org.
apparent 3 minutes ago | parent
If all of this were easy, I would happily invest in new dedicated hardware to run it. This could be a full-blown Mac or it could be a souped up HomePod-type device, loaded with RAM. Better yet, make it a revitalized Matter-enabled Airport!