73 points rubatuga 1 hour ago 13 comments

cavoirom 41 minutes ago | parent

funny enough, the only use case I want to run macOS on non-Apple software is a headless build machine. Without Apple hardware, using macOS is less useful to me.

phinnaeus 31 minutes ago | parent

Agreed, I’m much more interested in the Asahi Linux project these days, even though I went through a hackintosh phase in university.

FLeXMurphy 23 minutes ago | parent

There used to be a use-case for Hackintoshes maybe a decade +/- 5 years ago, especially when macOS started working with x86 and x86-64 Intel-based CPUs. But it always felt subversive and it seemed like one update away from breaking due to some unforeseen, artificial limitation.

Is there a use-case now? I don't know. Linux has made serious strides in part thanks to very user-friendly distros like Ubuntu. People may have individual grievances and I don't want to downplay those, but we're not dealing with oddball Shrike issues anymore.

Apple should seriously consider allowing their OS to be used independently of the hardware, especially the build tools, the server stuff (whatever is left of it, not a market they had a big part to play in anyway). But, it is unlikely of them to do this.

Well done nonetheless. I think it is more likely that the old PowerPC-MacOS-on-Wii will be more stable long term than any of these new releases.

Edit: I'll also add: I am questioning what value MacOS itself has, the raw OS and kernel stuff. Linux, BSD and Windows each have their own -isms which are curiosities that one can, and should, consider as pros and cons. People might say "Windows is bad", and I agree, Win 11 experience as a daily driver is god awful. But the kernel and OS itself is something else. I don't know if MacOS has any of that "meat" that we can look at and say it's worth looking deeper into.

haunter 17 minutes ago | parent

Seeing that Macs can now run Switch 1/2 games natively because of the ARM CPU is actually incredibly. And to me personally the first hand on sign of the end of x86.

forsalebypwner 11 minutes ago | parent

Is Switch 2 emulation actually happening? I haven't been following that

haunter 7 minutes ago | parent

Switch 2 user space has been jailbroken so any game can be dumped. But not the other way, so the Switch 2 can't run pirated Switch 1/2 games yet.

There are now Switch 2 emulators that can run any dumped game on PC/Mac etc. https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Nintendo_Switch...

Most Switch 2 games are getting dumped, including the just released Ocarina of Time Remake https://imagepaste.org/i/kx5c925r.png

As I mentioned in my comment there is a native Switch code compiler for Mac, so not emulation https://github.com/seedds/nxnative

anonreplier 5 minutes ago | parent

peasants gonna peasant

alt227 17 minutes ago | parent

> we saw Apple release the first ARM-based Mac in 2021

Refreshing to hear it called its proper name instead of Apples marketing terminology.

hypfer 14 minutes ago | parent

On one hand, this is kinda cool. On the other hand, why would I want to run MacOS in the first place? Modern versions I mean. With the deterioration general quality, Liquid Glass and all that.

The only reason I do that is because I _have_ to do that due to MDM and the fact that Asahi doesn't do the Standby. Excellent hardware, bound by a sad OS.

Why take normal hardware and add a sad OS without being forced to do so?

I suppose "for the sake of it" is a good answer here. For the fun of making computers do something they really do not want to do.

delecti 9 minutes ago | parent

The author seems to have done it, at least in part, for the purposes of iOS development. That seems to be a bit more compelling than "because you can", though Doom running on refrigerators and pregnancy tests shows that's already plenty on its own.

bearjaws 14 minutes ago | parent

Such a throw back, I built a hackintosh back in x86 days and had it mostly working for a year, but of course tried to apply an update (10.08 I think?) and it blew up.

Ended up selling the hardware to some guy who insisted he would get it working and I am sure it was possible, but I pretty much switched to using Mac after that as I loved the dev experience.

vielite1310 9 minutes ago | parent

As much as I used to love MacOS as an operating system, the more I spending time on it, I'd rather wish that my Macbook can run Linux, hopefully Asahi Linux will eventually support M5 :(

varispeed 5 minutes ago | parent

This explosion of "hacking" is interesting. Like wow I can run X on Y or wow I decompiled Z and I can add feature A and B.

So there is this wow factor, but really we just enjoy mathematic transformations on a greater scale than we used to have just few years ago.

My guess is that the legal system will catch up with it, but also people will get bored.

Like, I can run macOS on thinkpad! Great! but ultimately this is a crap hardware in comparison to Mac. Will it have backdoors, will it be stable? Who will maintain it? and so on.

For me, that's meh.