Yet another Hacker News

44 points blaze33 58 minutes ago 31 comments

RobotToaster 50 minutes ago | parent

Fridges shouldn't be on the internet, doubly so when it's one storing vital medical supplies.

jasona123 22 minutes ago | parent

Or if you really really want to, make sure it’s just a read/view only architecture?

account42 12 minutes ago | parent

Yes, especially after this has now been happening again and again. First case can be excused as usual bad practices and lazyness. But it should have been a wake up call causing anyone else operating commercial freezers (or even other equipment) to review if/how they are connected to the Internet. Anyone getting hit now is maliciously incompetent.

fithisux 47 minutes ago | parent

It is either malicious incompetence or a red flag. No other explanation for me is satisfactory.

retinaros 45 minutes ago | parent

we are a few attacks like this from a country interpreting it as a declaration of war. I have no doubts a developed country counter-intelligence cell can find which country is responsible for such a large scale attack. I wish they target countries like China instead of spineless france.

BSDobelix 40 minutes ago | parent

>I wish they target countries like China instead of spineless france.

Because Chinese Life is less worth than "spineless" French? What is that disgusting worldview of yours? You know what a blood-bank is, right?

harvey9 37 minutes ago | parent

I read it as meaning China is more likely to track down and prosecute the attackers. I use the term prosecute loosely.

dumbmrblah 26 minutes ago | parent

They mean that China will respond in kind, rather than France, who may just wring their hands.

elmer2 42 minutes ago | parent

We need to have a French Revolution for hackers that do this. One clobbering, and they will think twice.

Tryvrsakjo10 41 minutes ago | parent

The advent of AI and its ability to find vulnerabilities so quickly is getting out of hand. Yesterday it was supermarket fridges now its fridges that store blood, they should never have been connected to the internet in the first place especially in these times with AI, but all of Europe needs to invest more into their cyber security systems they are anachronistic at this point.

holsta 32 minutes ago | parent

> The advent of AI and its ability to find vulnerabilities so quickly

No AI needed. The supermarket controllers had software with guessable passwords and outdated nginx, both of which had patches out for a year.

Some hardware had reached end-of-live, and were never replaced.

All were connected directly on the internet instead of secure APNs or VPNs.

This is long-standing, basic management failure, and the fines should reflect that.

Tryvrsakjo10 28 minutes ago | parent

So, the people in charge are either inept or just sleeping on the job especially for things that are so important to people's lives. cause it seems like everyday something else is getting hacked or exploited because of its vulnerabilities.

smallnix 41 minutes ago | parent

I don't understand the 110. The blood was.. boiling??

mainecoder 38 minutes ago | parent

can someone please explain how they can heat the blood I understand they can stop the freezing but you cannot set the temperature of a refrigerator to a point where it literally heats the stuff inside since a refrigerator do not have the mean to warm objects inside it can only remove the heat.

rescbr 36 minutes ago | parent

It's the defrost cycle.

Modern "frost-free" freezers have resistive heaters inside them.

kristjank 34 minutes ago | parent

Seems like it's more of a walk in freezer situation and it can be controlled in either direction.

Ekaros 29 minutes ago | parent

Basically understand that fridges and freezers work by making a surface, heat exchanger or some type of pipe cold. Being cold leads to moisture in ambient air condensing on that. And being usually below freezing to icing on it. Ice is not very good heat conductor. So you want occasionally get rid of it. Easiest way to achieve this is heating it. Simple resistive heaters are cheap and maluable for this.

Now if you can control these heaters you can pump up the temperature to quite high. And I imagine with certain uses cases actually emptying the whole thing heating it up to melt ice and then bringing temp back down is not that unreasonable process. Also allows keeping the temperature in very close range. For home appliances bit more temperature variation is acceptable.

kristjank 30 minutes ago | parent

Not only freezers, but a lot of other appliances have become IoT-integrated to simplify inspection procedures. Instead of the health department looking at each freezer/smoke detector/gas detector/emergency floodlight individually, you can just present them with a report from your building's safety system. Older systems were mostly some industrial bus and are off-grid by default, but new ones are usually smarter, and as a result, IP-connected.

cricketfanatic 29 minutes ago | parent

This is not looking good especially with so much red tape in Europe don’t know how they will deal with this…

pyrale 8 minutes ago | parent

The article states there was no impact on stored products, because the attack was detected early.

I'm not sure why you're talking about red tape, is that really related to the article?

marsknight 27 minutes ago | parent

Le Canard Enchaîné is a satirical paper!

croisillon 21 minutes ago | parent

yes but The Telegraph too runs invented stories

vixen99 9 minutes ago | parent

Maybe they do but if you make allegations like this why not support them with evidence? That would put to rest any possible suggestion by folk who see ulterior motives in everything, that maybe you object to the Telegraph in general. No reason to suppose you do but that's how it is.

pyrale 5 minutes ago | parent

Nope. It's a serious newspaper reporting on serious news. Usually with a vitriolic tone and wordplay, but it's absolutely not a satirical newspaper like the onion (the french equivalent would be le gorafi).

Same news other serious outlet:

[1]: https://www.franceinfo.fr/internet/securite-sur-internet/cyb...

amelius 25 minutes ago | parent

I see a new market in little VPN devices.

Ekaros 22 minutes ago | parent

There is plenty of options already on the market. From specifically for remote use to simple features on routers.

Still, spending any money on basic security seems to be way too much these days.

ReptileMan 24 minutes ago | parent

They had almost 3 weeks of warning since those attacks started. No excuses if they are not secured by now.

hhh 21 minutes ago | parent

They have had over 60 days.

https://signalandsilence.substack.com/p/i-think-someone-hack...