Yet another Hacker News

We're Training a Figma-Fluent Editing Model

18 points gmays 2 days ago 9 comments

heliosAtwork 2 days ago | parent

they need to use nemotron for true sovereignty and stop paying the tax (just like salesforce and servicenow)

preommr 1 hour ago | parent

Bitter lesson learned in 3... 2..

I know Dylan Field recently posted they made the Llama's 70B model do amazing things but the AI training field is an absolute snake pit.

But then again they have money to burn ig.

joefourier 38 minutes ago | parent

You've misunderstood the bitter lesson if you think it applies here. It's not "frontier LLMs are always better", it's "algorithms that scale with compute/data will usually end up surpassing algorithms that are based on human understanding".

Fine-tuning an open-source LLM with reinforcement learning in order for it to be better at a specific task does not go against the bitter lesson at all.

jjcm 1 hour ago | parent

Ex-Figma.

For context, this blog was released the same day Canva made their announcement for Brush, which looks to be further along in this area: https://www.canva.com/newsroom/news/canva-brush/

I'm glad Figma is pushing in this area. I do think that Figma has one of the best UI datasets out there in the world, and for the most part they've been sitting on it letting it get unused. Excited to see where they take this, but I do think they should be looking at image models in addition to LLM-based edit models (I'm biased as I left figma to start a image-mode-based UI design tool) as I find they're more capable in this area.

YuechenLi 1 hour ago | parent

So... I'm not quite sure why I would use this over using GPT/Claude/Gemini directly for design?

Bitter lesson, etc, and training an entire VLM to prevent text overlap seems a bit much, especially since GPT 6.* /Claude 5.*'s vision are good enough that it rarely ever happens for me, and if they do make a mistake, it's generally a 5 minute fix?

patchorang 28 minutes ago | parent

I work as a product designer, and your right, mostly people aren't using Figma's AI products (at least in my circles). 80% of my time is spend in Claude Code/Design. 20% in Figma doing manual work when I really need to explore things and spec out in detail.

Figma's current AI Agent is essentially useless, especially when compared to these other tools. Not sure what effect the work in this post will have, but even if it's great I feel that designers have already left Figma and are working elsewhere.

sebazzz 58 minutes ago | parent

The Figma MCP is so bad, it is almost unusable. Letting the calling AI write some javascript to implement a design?

swid 53 minutes ago | parent

Totally agree with bitter lesson problems here. It’s clear one of the next things taking off right now is the ability to understand and use graphical UIs. I bet they could find some way to get OpenAI to specifically train on Figma, it’s a good use case on both sides. They might do it anyway I guess.

yieldcrv 4 minutes ago | parent

Figma, Adobe, Canva all have huuuuge editing model practices that they are licensing to their existing enterprise clients

Its surprising to me that the market is still stuck on SaaSpocalypse not noticing that these companies have pivoted hard in an impressive and revenue generating way

Its to the point where their consumer facing products are a sideshow and distraction, but thats what people are familiar

They’re selling tokens just line all AI forms, with huge enterprise commitment payments up front