80 points lakesare 20 hours ago 59 comments
gustavus 20 hours ago | parent
Zealotux 19 hours ago | parent
archargelod 17 hours ago | parent
It's just meaning is very very vague on purpose. It's not meant to be specific. Most of Japanese art is like that.
Also, if you start learning Japanese language, you'll quickly notice that the "I'm not going to tell you anything directly" and "read the room" permeates even casual and especially formal daily conversations.
astura 15 hours ago | parent
watwut 20 hours ago | parent
This person is visiting different learning sites then I do.
Also, I dont need to understand every word in sentence to understand it. Especially when coupled with visual show.
buzer 20 hours ago | parent
dumberquestions 19 hours ago | parent
>What could make this wrong: >1. "Understood" means you know every word. It ignores grammar, kanji readings, speaking speed and context.
jkrems 18 hours ago | parent
Natsu 17 hours ago | parent
anigbrowl 19 hours ago | parent
ACCount39 19 hours ago | parent
Observe an unknown word used a few times in different contexts, and you'll get a very good bead on what it means.
It's the "natural" way of learning a language. No one gets every word explained to them in detail - most words you know in your own first language are the ones you picked up on the go.
I think this "structural redundancy" might be a big part of what enables LLMs to learn human languages "from nothing".
quink 19 hours ago | parent
Maybe words are the wrong thing to delineate by, I mean even if you haven’t heard the word ‘circumnavigate’ you can probably deduce its meaning especially with context.
klodolph 15 hours ago | parent
Before that point, you are probably going to have too much trouble generalizing.
pessimizer 18 hours ago | parent
Other than language learners. If you want to learn someone's language, read their comic books. They have pictures.
roenxi 17 hours ago | parent
Looking at the first Frieren example:
"Live without [fear]", "Live without [bread]", "Live without [sunlight]", "Live without [honour]". The common words are more than enough to set up a generic sentence for lack of something but then what someone lacks can be literally any object, concept or verb. There are a lot more than 500 of those in the world.
motionlessveloc 15 hours ago | parent
klodolph 15 hours ago | parent
jghn 13 hours ago | parent
td521534f12 19 hours ago | parent
I'm pretty sure many of the lines are _not understandable by intent_, even.
"Present day... present time... ahahaha!"
ACCount39 19 hours ago | parent
Ironic that it holds the first place by understandable lines. The vocabulary isn't the complex thing - it's the content itself that eludes understanding.
Surreal and dreamlike - almost as if inviting you to connect the dots, but not giving you the labels, not giving you enough dots or an obvious enough outline to connect them confidently.
Terr_ 18 hours ago | parent
greatquux 13 hours ago | parent
shawn_w 11 hours ago | parent
dvh 19 hours ago | parent
You blurred yakusoku, everybody knows that, but houshuu is much rarer word, should have blurred that
plorkyeran 19 hours ago | parent
dumberquestions 19 hours ago | parent
joshdavham 19 hours ago | parent
I didn’t include it in my analysis, but I’ve been thinking about “sentence coverage” vs “word coverage” for a number of years now. In an extreme case, you could imagine a transcript with only i+1/1T sentences and you’d be left with totally incomprehensible input.
zaik 19 hours ago | parent
xigoi 17 hours ago | parent
Kinrany 16 hours ago | parent
left-struck 17 hours ago | parent
“Rare words carry the most” basically conveys what you’re saying but just more vague. And I think that’s a really important distinction. Rare words reduce ambiguity and increase the specificity of your sentence, but they don’t necessarily carry the most meaning.
numpad0 19 hours ago | parent
IMO, what that tells us is that a completely dumb repetition of small set of simple concepts to just set up the pathway can be an effective means to kickstart language acquisition process. Most language learning materials attempt to establish a compact set of rules to be expanded with a long tail of modular add-ons, even many that aims to create an alternative and less stressful approaches like Duolingo. The Inmu dictionary has less than 500 known expression, all unusable in regular communications and inappropriate in most settings, and the way it is used is simplistic, childish, disrespectful, and dumb. And I think that might be how "start with picture books" advice look like if rebuilt from first principles.
ben_w 19 hours ago | parent
linguae 19 hours ago | parent
lovich 18 hours ago | parent
The main characters were all well voice acted while I admit background characters were poorly voice acted.
However I say it’s the pivot point because the in top of the main characters having good voice actors the translation included cultural context I would have never picked up on my own.
For instance it took me nearly a decade later of occasionally watching subs to find out that “ore” was rude when male characters used it to refer to themselves because I didn’t have the cultural context to understand.
If I’m willing to become fully fluent in a language and its culture dubs are superior, but I just don’t have the time for most foreign media.
slowin 18 hours ago | parent
lovich 15 hours ago | parent
slowin 15 hours ago | parent
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eqvinox 16 hours ago | parent
rKarpinski 17 hours ago | parent
eqvinox 16 hours ago | parent
ethanj8011 16 hours ago | parent
Some bad writing examples I liked.
> By the third pause to look up a word, your tea has gone cold.
And here I thought that water had one of the highest specific heat capacities.
> Both numbers are true
What does "both numbers" refer to? Presumably the two percentages, (based on the title, but there is no framing right away that these are the key numbers), and proximate to the line are several unrounded numbers.
> is a flashcard app that teaches Japanese from anime. Each card uses a line where you know everything except the one new word, which is why we started counting lines. The figures above count each word once, however many meanings it has. That wouldn't work in the app: knowing あれ as "that" doesn't help when someone says あれ? (huh?). These are two separate cards. It doesn't catch every such word yet, we're working on it. During early access it offers one show, Hunter x Hunter.
Highly advise cutting down your marketing pitch for your product, it's just too long to grab people.
Zigurd 16 hours ago | parent
MichaelNolan 14 hours ago | parent
I don’t remember the source but here is the first page of Harry Potter with only 75% coverage:
> 75% coverage
_______ ONE
THE BOY WHO _____
Mr . and Mrs . Dursley , of ______ four , ______ _____ , were _____ to say that they were _________ ______ , _____ you very much . They were the last people you ' d ______ to be ________ in anything _______ or __________ , because they just didn ' t ____ with ____ ________ .
Mr . Dursley was the ________ of a ____ called _________ , which made ______ . He was a big , _____ man with ______ any ____ , ________ he did have a very large ________ . Mrs . Dursley was ____ and ______ and had nearly _____ the _____ ______ of ____ , which came in very ______ as she _____ so much of her time _______ over ______ ______ , ______ on the _________ . The Dursleys had a small ___ called Dudley and in their _______ there was no _____ boy ________ .
Here is a similar source https://thepatrologist.com/what-98-comprehensibility-looks-l...
sapphicsnail 10 hours ago | parent
MichaelNolan 4 hours ago | parent
999900000999 14 hours ago | parent
You can have a good time watching Dragon Ball Z without understanding the dialogue.
Although much has to be said for the fantastic dubs in various languages. One of the only anime where the dub is arguably better.
eulgro 13 hours ago | parent
I can watch pretty much anything in that language at this point but having one character explain complex arbitrary rules with little visual aid is just too difficult yet.
Rant423 9 hours ago | parent
oidar 1 hour ago | parent
I'm going strangle somebody.