187 points khalidkhair 4 hours ago 91 comments
thisisauserid 2 hours ago | parent
ctxc 1 hour ago | parent
thisisauserid 1 hour ago | parent
ctxc 1 hour ago | parent
It's a good strat imo - start simple and get it working with LLMs asap, then you can add heuristics etc based on the data you have and improve with that benchmark
akersten 2 hours ago | parent
Makes me want to have like 5 separate computers:
- one for banking only
- one for development only
- one for web browsing only
- one for gaming only
- one for socials only
How else can you stay safe against a threat that exfiltrates your entire digital life in like 10 seconds?
kungp 2 hours ago | parent
duskdozer 2 hours ago | parent
narrator 41 minutes ago | parent
realityfactchex 2 hours ago | parent
gambiting 1 hour ago | parent
todowhatexactly 1 hour ago | parent
mr_00ff00 2 hours ago | parent
Shank 2 hours ago | parent
lofaszvanitt 1 hour ago | parent
TuxSH 1 hour ago | parent
No need for something new here, Claude Code (Auto + default settings) has a tendency of running "find"/"ls" on your home folder when it struggles with solving a problem. I wish I was joking.
Now of course people trust these AI companies not to do bad things(tm), but all it takes is replacing the model endpoint URL -or any kind of harness compromise- and nothing will seem amiss
mystifyingpoi 1 hour ago | parent
I've seen this first-hand. I was doing some work in a repository, Claude concluded it needs to investigate, how some AWS resources are created, and it literally started scanning ~/* for Terraform code. Which it found and started browsing through.
Or, when I asked Claude to debug some Spring issue, corporate firewall blocked Maven Central, so it literally started scavenging ~/.m2 caches to find the jar it desperately needed. Then it could not find it, so it started to clone Spring sources from GitHub to build the missing jar. I stopped the clone mid-way. I wish I was joking, I only stepped away from the keyboard for one minute.
genxy 1 hour ago | parent
juleiie 1 hour ago | parent
For banking I use macOS/linux, sometimes iOS unfortunately but we all do sins
em3rgent0rdr 1 hour ago | parent
supertrope 1 hour ago | parent
Jtarii 1 hour ago | parent
cherrycherry98 1 hour ago | parent
bossyTeacher 1 hour ago | parent
monlockandkey 1 hour ago | parent
Ideal setup:
- Dev machine
- Gaming machine (isolate downloading mods)
- Browsing machine
Bluestein 1 hour ago | parent
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Bluestein 1 hour ago | parent
... to us, wearng wearables of loving grace, that we do not own, but own us. All compute done beyond our reach, but ever-so-available, at the affordable price of a subscription and the prostitution of our soul.-
pixl97 1 hour ago | parent
Bluestein 1 hour ago | parent
bluefirebrand 1 hour ago | parent
cyberclimb 1 hour ago | parent
BlobberSnobber 1 hour ago | parent
palijer 1 hour ago | parent
rwmj 1 hour ago | parent
I wonder if/when mainstream OSes will start doing this.
antonvs 2 minutes ago | parent
If you only ever run your banking app inside a VM with an encrypted disk volume, and don't browse sketchy sites or do anything else in there, then you're very well protected against even LLM-assisted attacks.
One caveat in that case is I wouldn't keep the password to the VM disk in a password manager, since that then becomes an attack vector.
A keylogger would still be a viable attack vector, though. The security of operating systems is going to need to be improved to guard against some of these things, e.g. a protected input mechanism for passwords that can't be intercepted.
Aurornis 1 hour ago | parent
Popular harnesses have mature enough remote access features that I can use the same interfaces and even mobile apps.
If you’re not familiar with Docker, you can even have an LLM set up the environment for you and help you start and stop the container. If you do this, be very sure that you switch to having a harness run inside the VM or container, not having the harness on the host machine run commands inside the container. If you do the latter style, it will be running commands on the host which is what you want to avoid.
DotNetCorePowa 1 hour ago | parent
Before, people were responsible for the dependencies they were importing.
With npm and all the javascripters flooding the market, it became normal to be irresponsible "because everybody is doing it".
Fast-forward a couple of years, now everything is web based, even the stand-alone app version. No one knows what is running on own computer, even the Devs themselves don't know what the are asking you to run...
With a pinch of vibe coding on top, and thats the end.
We took 40 years for our industry to be taken seriously, it's all gone now.
malfist 1 hour ago | parent
This is an attitude not reflective of reality for those that wrote code in the pre npm days
jbm 1 hour ago | parent
The fact is we always were dependent on others.
lincon127 1 hour ago | parent
animal_spirits 49 minutes ago | parent
smashburger 1 hour ago | parent
I’m personally glad I don’t have to download separate runtimes and apps and can just use the standard browser
UltraSane 57 minutes ago | parent
hibikir 1 hour ago | parent
What makes npm a more relevant target is a much smaller standard library and thinner dependencies, leading to more chances that a random project will have code of suspicious provenance. The vast majority of what a backend Java project depends on was probably written either by the same 3 companies, or large, established OSS repos. So this is relatively solvable if people in steering committees decided they cared. It's improving, but I'd argue not fast enough.
hoppp 47 minutes ago | parent
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dpe82 48 minutes ago | parent
Perl had CPAN already in 1993; Linux and common BSD distros have basically always had package repositories.
"People were responsible for the dependencies they were importing" - I don't know about that. Plenty of us were irresponsible 30 years ago.
freecodeio 44 minutes ago | parent
The pre 2020 bootcampers would basically npm install anything because that's all they knew. You even had bullshit like "is-array" with millions of weekly installs because how dare you reinvent the wheel.
ffsm8 1 hour ago | parent
I feel like your phone is good enough for all of those, and generally secure enough unless you're rooting/jailbreak it
leafletsigh 1 hour ago | parent
I'd love to hear other takes on this though... Current thought is to just use something with a whole lot of exposure, in a whole lot of environments, pretty far downstream so the package hits all of that exposure, and hope someone spots it, kinda like xz. I tend to keep my base OS extremely minimal and do all my real work in VMs.
jgraettinger1 9 minutes ago | parent
A recent example is the TCP options use-after-free, where it took Canonical a couple days to patch LTS beyond when the fix was first available in Fedora 45.
And these are just for public CVEs. I’m also worried that there are a lot of quiet fixes being made with new agentic review tooling, which may fix an undiscovered bug but will never be back-ported.
rainbowzootsuit 1 hour ago | parent
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hibikir 57 minutes ago | parent
eastbound 1 hour ago | parent
- 1 computer and Google identity for administrative stuff: Primary accounts for AWS, Google. I also do accounting and have the list of customers. I still don't have any other solution than opening PDFs for the invoices, but it's better than nothing.
- 1 computer for programming, with a non-asministrator account for everything. Claude runs in Docker, with the dev directory mounted, .git:ro (read-only) and .env mounted to /dev/null.
But Claude tries to escape it A LOT. Claude is designed like a virus, we tell him not to do things, and it 1. tried to download the git binary from the internet, 2. read the remotes in the git directory and tried to access them, only blocked because it didn't have the credentials.
DEFINITELY forcefully block out Claude from seeing your .env files, it WILL try to brute-force an access to your intranet!!
amelius 1 hour ago | parent
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revolvingthrow 1 hour ago | parent
The other SSD is a normal setup where you do normal computer stuff. I don't access the dev SSD through it, I don't even mount it, although the danger seems minimal if you do. Banking, socials, gaming, whatever. No AI of any kind on it, aside from web portal for claude/chatgpt/whatever and possibly local AI model that gets no internet access.
No idea why I'd want to have its own setup split between gaming and socials, as an example. Better yet just toss all your twitter and bluesky accounts into a volcano, and consider whether to do it with HN as well.
KronisLV 1 hour ago | parent
I mean if you have only one there’s https://www.qubes-os.org/ but not sure about the gaming part, nor is it necessarily as good as separate isolated hardware.
Architecture page: https://doc.qubes-os.org/en/r4.3/developer/system/architectu...
hoppp 50 minutes ago | parent
No more laptops, just a dedicated android device.
I developed a devops/admin tool and then its claude code + github
darkwi11ow 36 minutes ago | parent
- development & AI tools
- infra rollouts
- banking / other sensitive services
I have Steam Deck for gaming, and do most of casual web browsing still on host, because it's secure enough to use Firefox with ublock + privacy badger and enforcing SELinux. However, I dont use socials other than HN and Reddit under pseudonymous accounts. If I had real zuckerbook or instacrap accounts, maybe I'd have another VM for socials too.
codedokode 27 minutes ago | parent
I also use VM to run code editors and AI. One must be crazy to run third-party software (including package managers like npm) unrestricted. The overhead is significant, and VS Code UI is lagging heavily without a GPU.
darkwi11ow 22 minutes ago | parent
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steve1977 32 minutes ago | parent
jonesy827 10 minutes ago | parent
TacticalCoder 6 minutes ago | parent
I moved part of my wealth to a private bank, on an account requiring several signatures (from different persons) plus a vetting from the banker for every single outgoing transfer. Not only are several manual signatures required, in addition to that the banker must call me before authorizing any transfer, even if it's only, say, 1 000 EUR (now it's not a retail bank and that's kinda the whole point: transfers are rare and when one is done, no matter the amount, a shitload of verification do happen).
In addition to that, I told my banker that should anything out of the ordinary happen (say an order to suddenly wire 100 K to Dubai or Erithrea or something), then he should go out of his way to make me come in person to the bank to confirm the transfer.
You must train your banker: you must demo him voice impersonation on the phone. You have to make him become totally paranoid too.
I'm not going to say he's my buddy, but he knows I know my shit and we regularly talk for 20 minutes on the phone.
Any transfer to a new bank account: long discussion explaining what that account is and why I'm moving money there.
I've also got digital files (say administrative stuff, stuff from notaries, etc.), encrypted, that I myself cannot easily access. For to access them I must physically go to my safe at a bank first. And trying to impersonate me physically at the bank to steal my stuff means: "on your way out, you risk being locked in the secure airlock and then spend years behind bars".
> Makes me want to have like 5 separate computers:
I have a setup not totally unlike that. For example one phone with one additional app: the country's official "electronic ID" thinggy. And I don't browse from that phone.
I've got several computers and there's definitely my "trash computer", complete with bogus email accounts and crappy apps, etc.
> How else can you stay safe against a threat that exfiltrates your entire digital life in like 10 seconds?
The first thing is recognizing there's an issue if someone hacking your unique email then can steal everything you have. Many people stop there: they think, as in the XKCD, "it's game over anyway if someone gets my email, so I may as well not worry about it".
That is the mentality of losers.
You're already well ahead of the crowd by recognizing there's a problem and by thinking about solutions.
Many things can be done to lower the risk of a full compromise. I've got two physical LANs and the absolute most sensitive stuff (e.g. my banking apps) are done from a computer that does nothing but email + bank.
So it's not just a separate computer: separate computer on a separate physical LAN (not a VLAN). And there a tiny Pi doing the bridging between the two LANs. And of course it's got a serious firewall (a lost art, but it could make a comeback with the help of LLMs).
Something else that can help is stuff like Google Workspace and keeping the credentials for the admin account very secure and hardly ever logging into it. That way if "jack@acme.com" gets compromised, there's still "admin@acme.com" that can help get back control of jack@acme.com.
> - one for development only
I've got a user account for dev only.
> - one for gaming only
A dedicated computer for gaming yes.
> - one for socials only
Besides HN, I don't need those.
It's a wild world out there.
The hacks won't stop coming and you're not anywhere near paranoid enough.
riskable 2 hours ago | parent
Conversely, don't bother with poor people!
Now we just need proper Robin Hood malware that "levels out the playing field" as it were, by stealing from the rich and moving that money into the poor people's accounts (that have also been hacked).
yonatan8070 1 hour ago | parent
toomuchtodo 1 hour ago | parent
You’ll have created an autonomous Robin Hood clone army. Fun times.
deadnomore 1 hour ago | parent
jumploops 1 hour ago | parent
Soon (now?) the threats will become ever more complex, and we’ll be back in the early-2000s-like virus storms.
deadnomore 1 hour ago | parent
caaqil 1 hour ago | parent
Script kiddies aren't new. Metasploit has been around literally decades. vx-underground existed for years, not to mention older open source projects that collect all known malware dev tools. APTs have been pwning stuff, script kiddies have been doing their thing. Nothing significant has changed for anyone in the know.
Just because LLMs automated some offensive stuff doesn't mean there's gonna be new magic collapse of society.
geekgod382 1 hour ago | parent
hashmap 1 hour ago | parent
lowkey_ 30 minutes ago | parent
Hackers are almost certainly using open-source AI for this.
ransom1538 45 minutes ago | parent
Phase 1: the closure, companies close down sites, all banks down
Phase 2: the reopen- but to only the correct* sites
Phase 3: the viruses
Phase 4: the re-shutdown
Phase 5: use of physical currency / fax machines only.
We are just getting to Phase 0. By end of 2026 most things will be broken into. By 2027 most banks will be offline.
ftchd 21 minutes ago | parent
steve1977 29 minutes ago | parent
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markstos 24 minutes ago | parent