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Linode Security Incident

105 points lacoolj 1 hour ago 51 comments

rvz 1 hour ago | parent

So it begins. The war against the abliterated AI models. Even at 1,000 TPS any service is a target.

Imagine swarms of abliterated frontier AI models that reach >20,000 TPS. As I said before [0] you are going to have to hire specialized security engineers or technical bodyguards from the senior to senior staff level using AI agents to protect your entire business.

Otherwise you are cooked.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50310312

jacquesm 1 hour ago | parent

Guess who has access to abliterated frontier AI models?

cyanydeez 56 minutes ago | parent

The worst people you know.

lacoolj 42 minutes ago | parent

Teenagers

samwilliams 1 hour ago | parent

Infrastructure is an FPS now.

pawelduda 59 minutes ago | parent

One day your job will be to play StarCraft but under the hood it will be your agents vs attacker's agents

tripleee 44 minutes ago | parent

If this is the job description sign me up

ProllyInfamous 40 minutes ago | parent

Today? Today is that day... probably a yesterday or two, as well.

singinwhale 40 minutes ago | parent

Basically Enders Game

jdprgm 35 minutes ago | parent

Enders Game but AI instead of aliens.

samwilliams 16 minutes ago | parent

Ha! I literally built that last week: https://molecule.arweave.net/#/bugcraft

lacoolj 43 minutes ago | parent

Primeagen went over this in the last episode or two - apparently this sort of defense is costing ... one of the big models or companies hosting them ... $900k/day or something to constantly run the best model and monitor 24/7 to combat the attacks [0]

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OahTki4cPA

vsgherzi 32 minutes ago | parent

I don’t really have experience running anything like this so this is very much a comment front the peanut gallery but

Is that really the best way to do things? I’m not really sure what an agent offers here does it just look at logs and do actions? I would not really feel safe if that’s my service’s answer to security.

I could see it maybe as a really smart filter to block ips that are sending probing requests but I don’t really see that as a good reason to have an agent be sitting 24/7 looking at logs.

scottrogers86 42 minutes ago | parent

armadin.com?

shoobiedoo 41 minutes ago | parent

What's the future of cybersecurity going to look like? A rapid shift to shoving everything into microvm's to minimize attack surface?

lelandfe 34 minutes ago | parent

Airgapping.

I'm hoping goverments take stock of what is online that needn't be.

Arbortheus 21 minutes ago | parent

OpenClaw agents continuously scanning your prod infrastructure and applying config tweaks and package updates autonomously on the fly in response to viral CVE numbers trending on X.

14u2c 27 minutes ago | parent

More likely we'll just see another shakeup of the layers of abstraction that the average company operates at. Why would you hire specialized people when AWS can do so for you?

spydum 1 hour ago | parent

Wow, that isn't clear. Is there an incident, or did they just become aware about MPTCP vuln? Details on the mptcp are also pretty scarce as well right?

6thbit 57 minutes ago | parent

Yeah its unclear. Sounds like they are just now patching it and treating it as an incident which is probably the right thing to do.

onei 24 minutes ago | parent

(Former akamai employee) Akamai have an incident process that handles both "things are bad for multiple customers" as well as "we need eyes on this from multiple departments/stakeholders asap". If you're hitting a wall debugging an issue on your own, especially if it's not overtly customer impacting, declaring an incident is an effective way of getting the attention needed to solve it.

Once you declare the incident, the process includes these status page updates, alongside equivalent internal status updates.

In this case, they probably wanted to maximise coordination, so used the process designed for that.

lacoolj 49 minutes ago | parent

Yeah agreed. I actually only noticed because my two boxes are super slow and I've been troubleshooting for about an hour. Finally opened up the Customer Support page and this was the top incident.

dofm 21 minutes ago | parent

I am wondering if there is something significant written with Go in their system stack (Go uses MPTCP by default on listening sockets, it seems)

pugworthy 44 minutes ago | parent

Lately it seems like we need "hacks.ycombinator.com" as a new sub-list.

minimaxir 41 minutes ago | parent

Show Hacks:

keeganpoppen 39 minutes ago | parent

ironic that "hacks" is a needed subdomain of "hacker news"

optimalsolver 35 minutes ago | parent

Yeah it is, but everyone forgets this board was launched in the 90s for discussion of the 1995 movie "Hackers", not for discussion of hacking in general.

brian-armstrong 31 minutes ago | parent

I'm still holding out for the sequel

optimalsolver 27 minutes ago | parent

It would now be 120 minutes of some guy playing EVE or browsing porn while his agent does everything.

6thbit 30 minutes ago | parent

/incidents would do

georgemcbay 25 minutes ago | parent

daily sticky post...

Ask HN: Who didn't get hacked today.

sublinear 23 minutes ago | parent

We need an "ai.ycombinator.com" too.

paaloeye 43 minutes ago | parent

Even better CVE 10.0 has just dropped https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50310937

INTPenis 22 minutes ago | parent

Who uses Canonical LXD?

I never even heard of it.

paaloeye 15 minutes ago | parent

MicroCloud and some other product for sure

paaloeye 14 minutes ago | parent

MicroCloud for example, it's been actively pitched for smaller sites by Canonical

optimalsolver 43 minutes ago | parent

I mean, this situation is untenable. HN's front page is just going to be an endless list of breaches.

I don't see how web services proceed like business is normal.

peri-cl 31 minutes ago | parent

Introducing: HNN (Hacker non-news): a list of web domains *not* currently under apocalyptic AI attack. Shorter and more parsimonious.

- Tell HNN: pets.com was *not* owned today

- Tell HNN: about:blank was safe, too

- Show HNN: my new gopher protocol project—no currently known CVE 10's

mceachen 21 minutes ago | parent

gopher goes to 11

(archie and veronica are non-denumerable)

LtWorf 22 minutes ago | parent

Better than the usual endless stream of what your agent did today.

elashri 38 minutes ago | parent

@dang I would encourage you to really think about having security incident as a new HN tag. The wording can be better though.

downrightmike 33 minutes ago | parent

We can call it [SI]

entrope 26 minutes ago | parent

As long as we know that doesn't mean Systeme Internationale, Sports Illustrated or Super Intelligence.

gk1 23 minutes ago | parent

> Super Intelligence

I think that was the joke.

6thbit 31 minutes ago | parent

It feels like we hit an inflection point in the last week or so. Kind of a large tidal wave to crash on the coast, but likely not the tsunami yet. I hope.

If you are running services and don't yet have an easy way to react to these things with swift process defined, I hope you don't like to sleep.

lifeisloving 22 minutes ago | parent

Its really not that hard to secure your servers, especially if your not a high value target. If you are a high value target, you should have security professionals on staff.

I dont think my security posture is all that much different than it was last year. Use a Secret Manager and or encryption, have backups, strong firewall rules, use canaries of some kind.

If anything llms are making security worse because there's more people offloading their thinking on llms, or people that skipped some steps in their learning journey because they just ask the llm to do everything. I dont think its necessarily because attackers have llms now, but that contributes.

moscoe 14 minutes ago | parent

You are literally the everything is fine meme. I admire your confidence. I never realized it was so simple!

Arbortheus 27 minutes ago | parent

This reads to me that nothing has happened and they are just trying to patch stuff? Right?

nout 25 minutes ago | parent

All companies should at this point invest a lot of money into defensive AI. In ~July the AI hit crypto and bitcoin, where it's the easiest to extract the most money. Now the AI powered attacks are hitting infra and SaaS. Next (~December), it will hit classic infrastructure, banks, small businesses, etc. By mid next year, we will be over this hump with defensive AI being required part of everything.

jeremyjh 21 minutes ago | parent

Its already happening to classic infrastructure, small and medium size businesses. Absolutely anyone can summon a gremlin capable of exploiting stuff like this or the PHP thing last week. There are clankers probing this stuff all over the place within a day of it going public.

throwuxiytayq 16 minutes ago | parent

I find it breathlessly funny how people think it's going to be AIs vs AIs fighting it out with light sabers and plasma lasers in the cyber space or some shit.

Your intuition that this can be balanced out is wrong. When you have a CVE in your TCP stack, your vault unlocks and you're fucked, it's done. My dude, there is never going to be AIs scanning every incoming packet for signs of a 0day, and deciding whether to, uhh, cut it up with a lightsaber and shoot it with a laser pistol. Your options are to have a stack so secure that it can't be targeted, or to disconnect all network cables.