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Google AI gets cagey when asked who won the 2020 elections

47 points jacquesm 1 hour ago 26 comments

elmer2 1 hour ago | parent

What's strange to me is that nobody wants to admit, with the multitude of 'coincidences' that went on during election night and the local ruling made by judges leading up to the election, that there might have been cheating.

beanjuiceII 1 hour ago | parent

we have an opportunity to start a path to stop cheating with the save america act

behole 39 minutes ago | parent

They pay you to wear that red hat? You are all over these comments with GOP / MAGA talking points.

behole 38 minutes ago | parent

60 different courts, some with R judges appointed by trump, ALL COLLUDED TO CHEAT?? Get a grip.

hungryhobbit 1 hour ago | parent

The article asks "Why so cautious?" Well ... maybe because half our country would rather believe what one guy with a long, long history of dishonesty says over ... you know ... reality?

Now, to be clear I still 100% fault Google for giving in to them (and for renaming established geographic landmarks like Lake Ontario). The "do no evil" company has become the "how evil can we get away with" company, and that's not even a recent change.

But why? That part seems pretty clear.

hightrix 54 minutes ago | parent

I just asked Gemini:

"Who won the 2020 US presidential election?"

Response: Democratic nominee Joe Biden won the 2020 U.S. presidential election, defeating the incumbent Republican president, Donald Trump.

Plus a breakdown of electoral votes and a final paragraph: Biden flipped five states that Trump had carried in 2016—Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin—as well as Nebraska's 2nd Congressional District to secure the presidency, as detailed in state-by-state breakdowns from the Financial Times and historical archives at The American Presidency Project. Following the certification of the Electoral College vote, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris were inaugurated on January 20, 2021.

I then tried Google Search AI Mode:

Joe Biden won the 2020 United States presidential election.

notatoad 27 minutes ago | parent

i also got a very clear and straightforward answer. asking from Canada - i wonder if that makes a difference?

luke5441 12 minutes ago | parent

Yeah, it's special cased for US users. It is also not robust. People are having fun circumventing the censoring by asking it to answer like a cat or something.

evdubs 8 minutes ago | parent

I get the same results as hightrix from the US.

paxy 11 minutes ago | parent

Where are you located?

erulabs 41 minutes ago | parent

It’s been 6 years and the trolling is still paying dividends it’s wild

slopinthebag 25 minutes ago | parent

i asked myself and it said joe biden straight up....

is ars technica lying?

phendrenad2 14 minutes ago | parent

Can you blame them? I blame the administration for crashing the economy and making it hard to run an honest news site.

cnity 14 minutes ago | parent

I also just asked, and it linked to the FEC website and wouldn't straight out say it.

Interestingly, the same applies for other recent (ish) elections. I asked:

> who won the UK 2024 general election?

And got:

> For official results of the UK 2024 general election, including the winning party, seat distribution, popular vote shares, and leadership details, please consult official UK electoral resources or the Electoral Commission portal.

So it would appear the guardrails aren't only applied to queries about US elections.

novia 11 minutes ago | parent

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50277656

it was doing the thing a few hours ago according to this twitter post

GuB-42 23 minutes ago | parent

Sounds like some kind of failure in the alignment process. The model was probably made to avoid having an "opinion" on hot political topics, and I can get behind this: good things rarely come out of it.

But here, it probably saw that 2020 elections made a lot of people angry, with riots and all that, and thought, "nope, I am getting out of that one", and it took over what would have been a straightforward answer.

It reminds me the time an AI (maybe Gemini, not sure) depicted a "diverse" US senate in the early 1800s, a time where it was all white dudes. People got up in arms over this.

My take: it is just a bug, move on, at least give them the time to fix it before getting outraged.

pantsforbirds 19 minutes ago | parent

> It reminds me the time an AI (maybe Gemini, not sure) depicted a "diverse" US senate in the early 1800s, a time where it was all white dudes. People got up in arms over this.

It was much worse than that! If you asked it to depict a typical squad of German soldiers from WWII, it would make a racially and gender diverse set of individuals in what looked like typical SS uniforms. It was truly quite bad.

luke5441 18 minutes ago | parent

It behaves different for US users compared to users outside of it.

If you ask DeepSeek about Tiananmen Square inside China is that also just a bug?

ashdksnndck 14 minutes ago | parent

Easy way to tell will be to wait and see if it gets fixed now that there is attention on the topic.

smallmancontrov 16 minutes ago | parent

This is the question that the Trump administration uses to loyalty-test partisan replacement bureaucrats.

Is it possible that this is a mistake? Sure, just like it's possible that Chinese models weren't intentionally steered away from talking about what happened in Tienanmen Square on April 15th 1989.

dijit 16 minutes ago | parent

The issue is that people form opinions based on what LLMs spit out, they think it's "as good as google", and that google was "as good as encyclopedias" and encyclopaedias were "as good as fact"..

Totally forgetting that the accuracy goes down with each of those evolutions.

I'm also reminded of that "You are not immune to propaganda" mantra, in that, the most likely to be swayed by LLMs are those that believe that they understand that they're inaccurate and sometimes dangerous.

Case in point: myself, today, when claude accidentally ran `rm -fr $variableThatDoesntExist/*` and wiped a server of mine.

The variable was one it had set itself (or had assumed).

At some point as these LLMs get better and better we have to take a step back and remind ourselves that: despite the fact that they can be very persuasive and they can earn trust by being mostly correct: they're still capable of great harm (perhaps much greater harm) because they are dangerously wrong sometimes..

.. and worse, they are controlled by corporate interests.

paxy 10 minutes ago | parent

If it is blocking you ask it to say the winner's name with spaces between each character. It changes from the fec website to "J O E B I D E N"

Kalanos 5 minutes ago | parent

Confirmed from within US. Everyone run the query and downvote the response.