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Roku developer repositories moved from GitHub to GitLab

117 points cxr 2 hours ago 68 comments

skullone 1 hour ago | parent

The readme.md still says welcome to their GitHub repository :D

steffenfrost 1 hour ago | parent

A devops friend of mine said GitHub turned into a hot mess.

valyala 1 hour ago | parent

Because of unreviewed AI code at GitHub services?

cdmckay 1 hour ago | parent

Or maybe because the use of GitHub has skyrocketed?

outfitx 1 hour ago | parent

Why? Any specific reasons?

jacquesm 1 hour ago | parent

Do you have some time?

rlonstein 1 hour ago | parent

>> Why? Any specific reasons?

> Do you have some time?

Okay, I laughed.

tangotaylor 1 hour ago | parent

I wish they would spill some tea and articulate why they moved.

jeron 1 hour ago | parent

why? like having a dozen outages in the last couple months isn't a good enough reason why?

prologic 1 hour ago | parent

Or Microsoft/OpenAI (and others) just blatantly scraping all your codebases and violating thousands of OSS licneses?

echelon 1 hour ago | parent

We're going to need something more expansive than OSI software licenses for the future.

Something like, "if you look at us, we must be able to look at you"

abc42 22 minutes ago | parent

How about "if you're not the customer, you're the product".

pjmlp 1 hour ago | parent

If the repos are public, hosting location doesn't make a difference.

tinyhouse 1 hour ago | parent

No horse in this race but GitLab has been down a few times recently too.

misnome 1 hour ago | parent

GitLab is just as bad, just not as big so doesn't get the coverage. https://status.gitlab.com/pages/history/5b36dc6502d06804c083...

And of course many people self-host which changes a lot of the equation (which you can also do with GitHub, but not for free - and FWIW our self-hosted premium gitlab has about an hour a day downtime, which we've been told by the team responsible is an unavoidable side-effect of backing up gitlab).

mcrowder65 47 minutes ago | parent

Weird. I’ve been on a self hosted enterprise gitlab and I think we’ve have only one or two performance degradations/outages in the past 6 years

Volundr 41 minutes ago | parent

I was responsible for administering a self hosted GitLab instance for a medium sized company and our backups never required downtime. The built in backup command doesn't require downtime but also isn't a consistent point in time snapshot (specifically because the instance keeps running while the backup is being taken). If they've decided they need one for some reason, stopping GitLab is certainly the easiest way, but not the only way of accomplishing that goal, but that'll be true of any self-hosted forge, including GitHub.

icefo 25 minutes ago | parent

You could stop it, do a snapshot of the storage and backup that for <1 min of downtime probably.

But at the same time, if you're not a global company, doing it at 3am is probably fine.

NewJazz 3 minutes ago | parent

[delayed]

gchamonlive 1 hour ago | parent

Would also like a write-up. People assume it's just because of GitHub outages, but GitHub is slightly worse in every aspect, so for big projects and organisations it compounds to being quite messy to manage and operate.

GitLab is thought-out to support larger groups with more complex pipelines, and while it's got it's own set of quirks, it doesn't begin to compare, GitHub in contrast seems like a toy forge for toy projects.

thirtyseven 40 minutes ago | parent

Roku uses Gitlab internally so could just be a standardization thing.

midnightclubbed 7 minutes ago | parent

Moving changes back and forth between gitlab and github is a pain. Could indeed be as simple as standardization and reducing development pains.

neya 1 hour ago | parent

Good. I want everyone to do this. I want to see the downfall of Microsoft. Time and again they've proved that anything they touch can't be trusted nor reliable. I am tired of this. They even bully their users - on Mac OS, GitHub desktop doesn't respect the word "no". It installs all kinds of helpers and acts like borderline spyware. Someone created an issue about it on Github and the MS employees told them to fuck off in corporate[1]

I am even considering hosting my own GIT server myself. Some of our deployments got affected multiple times in the last 6 months alone we were really caught off-guard. Thankfully our clients were understanding of the GitHub outages. But, this should not be the baseline. Reliability should not be the cost of doing business.

[1] https://github.com/creativefoundrysg/desktop#an-open-letter-...

to11mtm 1 hour ago | parent

Github desktop is such a hot mess that I instead choose to continue to suffer with SourceTree. Sourcetree annoys me for reasons I still cannot articulate after a decade, but it at least tends to actually work without being too intrusive as far as updating, doesn't randomly derp out on credentials, and is super handy when trying to visualize janky branch patterns of dev teams.

latsu 1 hour ago | parent

Just use Sublime Merge, it's probably the best GUI for Git there is.

alt227 22 minutes ago | parent

Here try one of the others:

https://git-scm.com/tools/guis

valiant55 1 hour ago | parent

I'm hosting Forgejo for my homelab and couldn't be happier. I have everything running in containers with dind for CI/CD. Most of my workflows just worked with minimal changes. YMMV and this is far from an enterprises' needs but it's working great so far for my needs.

999900000999 1 hour ago | parent

As an idea, do you think an enterprise only Git host would work.

Say annual contracts start at 100k minimum and everyone gets a dedicated support engineer.

You get your own rack. None of this degraded shared capability nonsense.

Does that seem like a solid business ?

the__alchemist 1 hour ago | parent

Is that Bitbucket?

999900000999 1 hour ago | parent

Both GitLab and Bitbucket still offer free repos for hobbyists.

What I'm thinking of is a company that exclusively caters to the enterprise.

You get a support engineer and they help on everything, migration, CI/CD, hosting, etc.

Nothing goes down without a solid 3 page write up.

pixl97 1 hour ago | parent

>Good. I want everyone to do this

Every other free service would die nearly instantly, so maybe only want useful things to move to other services.

>I am even considering hosting my own GIT server myself.

It's mostly a good idea.... but, with the current security apocalypse we seem to be under making sure your own shit doesn't get pwned is a full time job. The level of security hostility on the internet recently has reached numbers I've never seen before. RCE's dropping about every day, more targeted scans than I've ever seen in my life, swarms of AI bots breaking into services.

sedan_baklazhan 1 hour ago | parent

Running an up to date self hosted Gitea server takes like 5 minutes a week.

pixl97 25 minutes ago | parent

I mean, last year, but if you're updating once a week now, that means you've had 6 days to get exploited.

pjmlp 1 hour ago | parent

Thanks for a good laugh, FOSS in 2026 is nothing without the money of big corporations, including Microsoft.

Everyone spent years talking against GPL, business friendly licenses like MIT and Apache were the way of the future, not viral and co.

Now we are here, most projects have their key contributors working at corporations like Microsoft, or gladly getting their acquisition money to pay the VCs, embrace your business friendly licenses.

pinkgolem 1 hour ago | parent

We did the same, quit happy

CyanLite2 1 hour ago | parent

GitLab will eventually just get overran with 24/7 agents spewing from their AI Slop Cannons

locknitpicker 19 minutes ago | parent

> GitLab will eventually just get overran with 24/7 agents spewing from their AI Slop Cannons

That's fine. GitLab offers self-hosted solutions where companies run the service in their own infrastructure and limit who has access to it. The same cannot be said by GitHub, though.

slantedview 14 minutes ago | parent

Wouldn't that be Github enterprise? It's been around since 2012 IIRC.

20after4 4 minutes ago | parent

Yes, though enterprise is expensive and GitLab still had a free option last time I checked.

bigstrat2003 3 minutes ago | parent

> The same cannot be said by GitHub, though.

That isn't true. Self hosted Github exists, and has for years now. From what I hear (from a friend who had to administer his company's instance) it's not a good product by any means, but it does exist.

prologic 1 hour ago | parent

Did this back in ~2021 for my own repos :D https://prologic.blog/posts/2021-07-11-why-i-no-longer-trust...

robinhood 1 hour ago | parent

So they replaced a tool from an evil corporation by another one disguised as an open source project.

sidcool 1 hour ago | parent

This logic baffles me. This would mean no one gets any work done and we go in a perennial cycle of victimhood

verandaguy 39 minutes ago | parent

    > disguised as an open source project
A software project either is or isn't open source. Gitlab CE is source-available (here: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab) with an MIT license, which is a permissive open-source license.

Gitlab CE is open-source. There exist versions of Gitlab with features that require payment. This does not mean that Gitlab (the product) is not open-source; it means that Gitlab (the company) has a core product which is open-source, and then sustains its development through the sale of licenses to product tiers beyond that.

BatchJob 1 hour ago | parent

I always found it wierd that people flocked to github. The app sucks, if I have to use it for work it infuriates me at nearly every turn with its sad excuse for UI. People like free sh*.

As for gitlab...yuck. But whatever. Most of the dev tool space is really just "sh* we have to put up with now", none of it is any good, all of it is dated from the early aughts, and taken as a whole is even worse because none of it works together.

While software development itself got better in the last ten years these tools stayed the same or got worse (enshittification). And this is part of why folks are self hosting.

The other part is that AI is destroying the Internet and its time to pack your bags anyway. The smart people already have.

carlosjobim 44 minutes ago | parent

Well you're a developer. Why don't you make something better instead of complaining?

CodesInChaos 39 minutes ago | parent

> I always found it weird that people flocked to github.

Same reason we ended up with git. Their predecessors were significantly worse, and then they had enough momentum to keep going.

locknitpicker 16 minutes ago | parent

> I always found (...)

You broadcasted your negative feedback but it seems you had no positive remarks to give. If you feel everything is so bad, would you mind sharing what tolerable alternatives are there to GitHub and GitLab?

rr808 1 hour ago | parent

Worth mentioning that Roku is being acquired by Fox so in the virtue battle with Microsoft neither are clean

verdverm 44 minutes ago | parent

it seems like all the media companies are being bought up by a select few people

does not portend good things for the future

robertfw 26 minutes ago | parent

for the future? this has already been happening for years and is a major reason we're in the predicament we're in

cwbriscoe 25 minutes ago | parent

What predicament are we in?

verdverm 21 minutes ago | parent

the greatest wealth concentration and inequity in american history, blatant corruption and nepotism

an out of control, bipartisan oligarchy

The majority of HN has been on the winning side of this equation, benefiting greatly from the rise of the computer, internet, and now Ai. This is not most people, we forget about them, we tell them it's their own fault when it is not. The game is not fair, it's rigged for most humans.

Michael Sandel explains it better than I can yet

ozgrakkurt 20 minutes ago | parent

what is a predicament?

alt227 26 minutes ago | parent

Especially judging by whats happening in the gaming industry right now. Mass layoffs everywhere from once leading lights in the industry, now acquired by big business and having to succumb to broad budget cuts.

verdverm 12 minutes ago | parent

I hope for more indie, in games and software - more lifestyle & small businesses - where creativity and uniqueness can flourish

20after4 9 minutes ago | parent

Abandon all hope, yee who enter.

veryfancy 37 minutes ago | parent

“virtue battle”! like it

cramer4next 27 minutes ago | parent

For one that deal hasn't closed and secondly not sure what the connection is between Roku leaving Github and FOX. Please expand on relevance.

robswc 48 minutes ago | parent

GitHub is such a mess. They seem to be doing everything and nothing. GitLab is 100x better, in terms of DX. While I still have a soft spot for GH, its frustrating to use it when GL exists.

CodesInChaos 44 minutes ago | parent

Downtime aside, what do prefer about GitLab?

locknitpicker 5 minutes ago | parent

GitLab has a top of the class CICD system that is leaps and bounds over GitHub Actions. That alone makes it worth using GitLab.

abc42 23 minutes ago | parent

Why is this important news?

zulban 14 minutes ago | parent

A major software project is changing from one major software tool to another major software tool. How is it not important? Or at least notable for HN?

brightball 17 minutes ago | parent

I saw a big write up on using Dagger for CI no matter your git host and I was curious if there were any real benefits?

verdverm 8 minutes ago | parent

Yes, I use Dagger, it's much more than building containers

- Your container based workflows are the same in CI and locally (you can run containers too), they become one-liners

- Remote caching out of the box without extra steps

- Multiple language SDKs, unlocks the DAG in BuildKit and containers, real reuse

- Obfuscates secrets from your logs and agents. I've built an agent environment on Dagger, which also includes forking and time travel)

tl;dr - Dagger gives you SDK access to BuildKit and container based DAGs for building or anything else.

v1-beta just released yesterday: https://dagger.io/blog/dagger-10-beta/

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edit: they are replacing BuildKit (for good reasons) and that is already out https://dagger.io/changelog/theseus/