38 points sumnole 1 hour ago 36 comments

anonymous908213 1 hour ago | parent

> COBOL supports more than 40% of online banking systems, 80% of in-person credit card transactions and 95% of ATM transactions, while Fortran is used in weather forecasting and nuclear reactor safety analysis.

Can we not vibe code foundational bank infrastructure and nuclear reactor safety software? Pretty please?

bayindirh 1 hour ago | parent

> Can we not vibe code foundational bank infrastructure and nucelear reactor safety software? Pretty please?

How can you power the "rogue" AI infrastructure and mistakenly funnel the funds needed for the operation otherwise?

Matrix needs energy, Matrix needs money.

VIBE CODE ALL THE TIHNGS! /s

liendolucas 54 minutes ago | parent

You forgot flight computers.

joshAg 31 minutes ago | parent

those are ada. Don't worry, they'll forget about ada until the defense contractors pay them to remember

mirror_dude 28 minutes ago | parent

oh man ada. I wrote a terrible Ada compiler in university.

waldrews 30 minutes ago | parent

Soon enough, it'll be 'Could we not entrust our safety critical systems to those emotional error prone humans? Pretty Please?'

onlyrealcuzzo 28 minutes ago | parent

It's a nuclear reactor, Michael. What's the worst that could happen? A meltdown?

etchalon 1 hour ago | parent

It is such a ridiculously cool thing that we're reaching an era where the programming language you chose is as temporary a choice as the name of a variable.

gonzalohm 55 minutes ago | parent

How can that signal anything other than improper planning. You prefer a changing codebase over something that has evolved and is being tested over a long period of time?

etchalon 48 minutes ago | parent

New languages do in fact come out, and old languages get better, and old codebases are thing some people have to maintain.

retrac 43 minutes ago | parent

It can also signal very good planning. If a program is properly specified and all the business logic correct then implementation language is basically as afterthought.

I'm reminded of the software for the Gemini spacecraft. Does it still exist? We don't have any assembly or machine code. But much like today in the '60s the designers of the flight software, considered the assembly output to be an intermediate stage - a kind of temporary mapping from the real program. The real program was designed in "Math Flow 7" - a visual flowchart language for expressing logic. We still have the charts. Does that mean we still have the software? Is the set of charts the software?

awongh 38 minutes ago | parent

Yes, and, many many billions (trillions?) of dollars have been lost because the programming language couldn't be changed. Both things can be true.

malisper 25 minutes ago | parent

This is equivalent to arguing that tech debt signals poor planning

I would much prefer it to be easy to change a codebase and for people to make lots of changes to their codebase than for people to stick with whatever they built up front

4b11b4 48 minutes ago | parent

That's.. not..

srivarun96 30 minutes ago | parent

+1 ! We might actually have to rethink what are costly decisions for the post Agentic world. Truly sci-fi stuff

manmal 12 minutes ago | parent

Except for platform constraints, like needing to use JS or Swift/Kotlin, why would I use anything else than Rust? I can’t even properly read it, but the agents somehow make it work well and the code doesn’t look particularly cluttered; and it’s so fast.

vegnus 58 minutes ago | parent

I thought LLMs had been good at this for a while? I vibed a language out and the LLM could write in it pretty well. I even got Qwen 3.8 to write it (though it was pretty slow, it managed to get it done)

ch4s3 46 minutes ago | parent

Yeah GPT and Claude both write my language really well[1]. GLM and Kimi did OK as well, but I haven't tried Qwen.

[1] https://march-lang.org/

vatsachak 41 minutes ago | parent

Haskell got left out :(

Tanjreeve 31 minutes ago | parent

Haskell community will be overjoyed.

woadwarrior01 25 minutes ago | parent

"avoid success at all costs"

devin 29 minutes ago | parent

And Clojure. Perhaps these aren't considered low resource. I had good results in Clojure over a year ago.

bunderbunder 26 minutes ago | parent

I would not be surprised if a much larger volume of Clojure source code is in publicly-visible repositories. I’ve not met too many COBOL or Fortran hobbyists.

winwang 16 minutes ago | parent

It's too good.

kragen 37 minutes ago | parent

It's kind of insane that one of OpenAI's internal test tasks is now "reimplement SQLite from scratch, preserving binary compatibility with existing database files".

fnordpiglet 16 minutes ago | parent

And they do it in powershell

anonymous908213 9 minutes ago | parent

There's nothing insane about writing a de/serializer for an open source format with tests telling you every time you get it wrong to fix in a loop. Insane would be if they were willing to entrust critical production data to their vibecoded replacements (in multiple ways).

sarchertech 6 minutes ago | parent

Have they released this publicly? This seems about on the same order of difficulty to anthropic’s C compiler project, which ultimately failed. I’m surprised if they can do SQLite they wouldn’t show up Anthropic with a public working C compiler.

dooglius 29 minutes ago | parent

By "low-resource" they seem to mean "not much training data". I wonder if the fix for this was generic generalization ability, or just making a lot of training data for the specific languages involved. This distinction matters a lot for the question of whether new programming languages can be developed without having LLMs be bad at them.

kristjansson 28 minutes ago | parent

I need to see SQLite implemented in PowerShell

giancarlostoro 14 minutes ago | parent

So, Lingo is the programming language for Director / Shockwave. Most LLMs know very little about it, since its been MIA for a while, however, there's a niche community of people reverse engineering games and the entire Shockwave runtime for years now, and LLMs are accelerating these efforts.

In fact, because of these niche Shockwave communities, and they've admitted to it, the Habbo Origins client was able to be made. That effort was spearheaded by a player who reverse engineered their backend for years, and eventually built up a decompiler for Shockwave, and made their own game client run as a stand-alone EXE (Projector Mode for Shockwave iirc) which is what Origins did.

More recently, a project named "Shockless" emerged that took the Shockwave client for Habbo Origins, and rebuilt it in JS w/ PixiJS (I think?) in order to be a more special-purpose Shockwave runtime. Some months later (this month I think), Sulake released Keystone a new Origins client, essentially doing the same thing, itself coded in C++ but it looks like it took a very closely similar approach. Really fascinating seeing LLMs push reverse engineering communities forward to help preserve old tech and games, and in some cases, niche games forward from the grave.

I think the frontier LLMs have finally gotten to the point they can sort of pick up the syntax on the fly.

I made my own .NET based language using Opus 4.6 and it knew how to write code for it, since the rules were in the context window. I havent gone back to that project, since I've been trying to build other more ambitious projects, but its impressive how much LLMs can pull off as of early this year.

It is funny to me they mention Visual Basic, I've been on and off experimenting with rebuilding the VB6 IDE and eventually its compiler with a modern runtime using Claude, I've got a good chunk of the IDE, and I can load forms, I can even call VB6.exe to compile if you have it installed, but I had to pause since my old college copy of VB6 is kinda busted (I misconfigured something somewhere and it keeps crashing when I open a project).

LoganDark 11 minutes ago | parent

> Our second evaluation asks models to migrate COBOL programs to C++, Java, Kotlin, Python, or Rust while preserving what each program does.

Reminds me of how Wall Street Raider [0] just runs the original code in an emulator instead of rewriting it.

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46954696