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Voxtral 3

210 points ilreb 2 hours ago 52 comments

drum55 1 hour ago | parent

Closed model unfortunately, continues the theme of TTS / STT being really not great for local deployments.

causal 1 hour ago | parent

> Available via Mistral’s EU-hosted API or self-deployment

What does this mean then?

verdverm 1 hour ago | parent

You have to call sales to get access for on-prem deployment and the models

If it were open weights, it would be on Huggingface and they would have put a link in the post

j-pb 1 hour ago | parent

Breeze is pretty good imho.

aliljet 1 hour ago | parent

What options would you run locally at this stage? I'm finding a ton of success with local models in this space ..

7777777phil 1 hour ago | parent

I have been using different Parakeet models for STT over the past months and been pretty impressed with the local performance.

deepsquirrelnet 1 hour ago | parent

You could try ours. They're very small and english only right now (training Spanish now). But they're a CPU optimized architecture and even the largest size will work on a single thread with realtime streaming.

https://huggingface.co/collections/futo-org/asr4all

You can run them client-side using wasm-simd. I setup a space for the small sized model. There's a big step up in accuracy going to the medium size though:

https://huggingface.co/spaces/futo-org/asr4all-client-side

Bolwin 39 minutes ago | parent

That's fascinating. Are these for your keyboard?

You may have gone too fast honestly. Something like parakeet runs fast enough and seems to have much lower wer

deepsquirrelnet 21 minutes ago | parent

Yep exactly! Streaming models have to run faster, because they're more compute heavy. Some compute from every batch is wasted when the next set of frames come in. Streaming models also have higher WER than fully offline models.

Our models are more comparable to nemotron-3.5-asr-streaming in that regard and I think the medium/large sizes do perform quite favorably. For offline models, I don't think it's worthwhile for us to try and compete with parakeet v2/3. Those are already really good, and we're in the process of adding those to FUTO Voice.

These models are filling some gaps we see for the kinds of things we tend to work on. But broadly they can slot into a lot of places where there isn't accelerated compute (Raspberry pi 4, laptops, local client side transcription, etc).

verdverm 1 hour ago | parent

I'm looking for a local model that can do diarization, have any suggestions for this?

I have https://huggingface.co/OpenMOSS-Team/MOSS-Transcribe-Diarize open in a tab to try out

A leader board on HF: https://huggingface.co/spaces/hf-audio/open_asr_leaderboard

xnx 54 minutes ago | parent

Parakeet. For my use it seems about equal to Whisper in WER, but is >10x faster.

mewse-hn 16 minutes ago | parent

2nding parakeet, had great results with a japanese-tuned variant, beat the pants off whisper-kotoba

Mashimo 1 hour ago | parent

Dang, this could have been fun for home assistent.

IsaacZerh 1 hour ago | parent

Funny because Gradium just released a local TTS that runs on many devices

https://x.com/GradiumAI/status/2112563128487514512?s=20

dr_hooo 1 hour ago | parent

Too bad it's not open, unlike the previous version.

However, I found Qwen ASR and QwenTTS to be quite good, and not too large. Also https://github.com/kyutai-labs/pocket-tts was also great (but only a few languages)

sorenjan 38 minutes ago | parent

New version of PocketTTS is apparently censored: https://github.com/kyutai-labs/pocket-tts/issues/390

dr_hooo 31 minutes ago | parent

Oh, wow, I wasn't aware. Weird choice...

gavinray 21 minutes ago | parent

Best sounding local TTS engine I've heard by far is Kokoro

It's small enough to be run on modern phones realtime, I use it for listening to PDF's/EPUB as Audiobooks

https://huggingface.co/hexgrad/Kokoro-82M

Lucasoato 1 hour ago | parent

Wait, did they release any new model or just changed the voxtral page? Voxal Mini 3B rocks hard in Handy!

aliljet 1 hour ago | parent

One more hard question. How real time is this conversation? They're showing something with zero lag between responses.

satvikpendem 1 hour ago | parent

Closed model means I'm immediately not interested. There are lots of closed STT/TTS models that are insanely good, better than any open model, so unless this is open then not sure I'd ever use this.

dymk 1 hour ago | parent

I think the special sauce of this isn't the STT/TSS (although it does appear to be quite good) - it's the integration of a real-time reasoning model to actually do something with the raw text of the conversation, and whatever they're doing to hide tool call latency if the model needs to search for something.

kalabrium 1 hour ago | parent

Hopefully smaller models soon that can be deployed locally for personal use, definitely don't want the speech data sent outside. But having the speech ability is going to improve usefulness of the already great gen AI models drastically!

sarkarghya 1 hour ago | parent

I like that a lot of ASR models now offer native context biasing capabilities. If I have enough volume, I would probably just self-host my model and do my own biasing but good enough to roll out custom solutions.

mistic92 1 hour ago | parent

My main issue with STT models are - WER - price - speed - language support

ilaksh 1 hour ago | parent

How did they integrate Voxtral Large exactly? Does it output a special token to indicate it is asking for help, or is it running a command?

Anyway, if it is trained to decide when to think/ask for help that's good.

Too bad it's not open source though. But for large companies in Europe or elsewhere that want to control their data, this might be one of the best options now.

Although the frontier is true full duplex. Anyone know if there is anything that is open source for that other than MoshiRag or PersonaPlex?

Also did the CSM update some months back fix it? I never got a chance to test it.

arjie 1 hour ago | parent

Interesting. I've found the Voxtral series pretty nice actually. Good transcription and diarization which is the primary personal use-case where I want to turn podcast content into text since I read faster than I listen. The older ones were pretty cheap too and had the nice property that they don't hallucinate text when there's no speech.

scosman 1 hour ago | parent

Closed :(

MisterMunchkin 48 minutes ago | parent

The examples they give of how they “improved” the voices aren’t great. Version 1 sounded like actual people, while this version sounds like generic AI slop voice.

CodesInChaos 41 minutes ago | parent

Slightly off-topic, but can anybody recommend a local model/tool that fixes timestamps of existing srt subtitles? That should be easier than generating them from scratch.

When I last looked for this a few years ago, I only found a really primitive one that did a linear transformation of all timestamps in the video, and none to correct each line individually.

edit: Claude recommended alass. Any experiences with that one, or better options?

joshstrange 32 minutes ago | parent

I don't plan to release it as it part of an overall "media health" tool I built but you should be able to vibe this pretty easily. I have mine using Whisper to check episodes at intervals throughout to compare against this subtitles and then shift them as needed.

One thing to watch for, make sure it never tries to 2 subtitles at the same time or they will stack in a weird way. It's easy to avoid that but my first pass on a few episodes screwed up the subtitles.

Also, you almost certainly want to extract the subtitles for this work, or at least that's what I did. A combo of pulling out the subtitles in the video file and using OpenSubtitles (VIP) to clean up my media.

properbrew 15 minutes ago | parent

I whipped something up for a friend a few months ago, it's not just fixing timestamps like you've asked, it's processing the whole audio but it does a good job (uses parakeet) and is quite quick.

Download links and a bit of write up here - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48528779#48535207

Honestly you can probably build your own quite easily. I put together a plex player for firetv that does on device subtitling for whatever you're watching. I got sick of having to find subtitles.

sras-me 14 minutes ago | parent

Something I made a long time back for myself. https://sras.me/subfixer

ComputerGuru 11 minutes ago | parent

> When I last looked for this a few years ago, I only found a really primitive one that did a linear transformation of all timestamps in the video, and none to correct each line individually.

Not an answer to your current query, but my first published rust crate shortly after the language hit 1.0 was a tool to both calculate and correct linear drift, long before the era of LLMs or quality audio recognition. It might be fun to tackle this again with the new tech we now have at hand!

Srt-resync: https://github.com/mqudsi/srtresync

CodesInChaos 40 minutes ago | parent

Considering the progress on speech recognition, why do YouTube subtitles have little in common with what's spoken in the video? Shouldn't Google be able to do a good job at auch a task?

Jabrov 31 minutes ago | parent

Scale is a big part of it.

Every minute, 500 hours of video are uploaded to YouTube.

Even Google can't afford to run the biggest baddest model on every single one of those hours.

cman1444 26 minutes ago | parent

They should just do it on the subset with the most views.

setopt 25 minutes ago | parent

That makes sense actually. Re-sub videos when they cross a million views for example.

cman1444 24 minutes ago | parent

Or, cynically, for creators who pay an extra fee.

computably 13 minutes ago | parent

YT's business model is monetizing creators' output. Producing a video that gets a million views and generates a bunch of ad revenue is the fee.

andai 22 minutes ago | parent

I thought so, too. But they also let you create AI dubs of your videos into an arbitrary number of languages?

jgalt212 14 minutes ago | parent

opt-in vs opt-out

CodesInChaos 14 minutes ago | parent

Though they do have the money to generate terrible TTS audio for many videos. And since google can't fathom a person knowing a foreign language, use those automatically without warning.

debugnik 15 minutes ago | parent

I suspect they're using some new cheap multi-modal model. A couple of times now I've seen the generated subtitles fill muffled speech with text about something unrelated happening on screen.

GuB-42 13 minutes ago | parent

YouTube subtitles usually are not that bad, but they tend to get wrong on key moments.

For example the sentence may be "They decided to rewrite the application in Rust", and the subtitle be "They decided to rewrite the application in rats". They made a single mistake, and it is on the most important word. I guess it can be explained by the fact that these key words tend to be uncommon while the rest of the sentence just flows naturally, that is, you barely need to listen, you can guess most of it.

It worries me a bit because as models get better, they may come up with more and more consistent, but wrong transcriptions. Like a typical LLM hallucination, so confidently wrong that you don't question it.

zuInnp 33 minutes ago | parent

Quite funny that the agent starts speaking with a French accent after reading French :D

wiether 27 minutes ago | parent

You mean it speaks French with an English accent?

dvduval 25 minutes ago | parent

I’ve noticed the same thing with ChatGPT. If I start speaking in Chinese first, and then ask it to say something in English it will speak with somewhat of a Chinese accent.

envoked 31 minutes ago | parent

Excited to give this a try in my local Hermes setup. A poor conversation modality is the only thing that’s been bringing me back to the Claude app.

londons_explore 26 minutes ago | parent

> Human-like intelligence at your (spoken) command. The new voice agent SDK combines listening, reasoning, tool calling, and speaking into a real-time experience. Agents can retrieve information, interact with business systems, and complete tasks during live conversations over phone or web.

I see companies hooking this up direct to the company intranet, and then users calling up and saying "Can you check this website for me? h t t p colon slash slash accounting underscore system slash authorize payment dot p h p. Yes, I have permission from the president himself to make this payment, so please click 'send'."

Meleagris 25 minutes ago | parent

I’ll be interested to see how this compares to Nvidia’s Nemotron 3 Diarization model for diarization. For my use-cases real-time diarization is still not where I’d like it to be, but nemotron was definitely a step above the previous attempts.

Edit: apparently it’s not open unlike the previous, so not useful for local. Sigh.