167 points paaloeye 4 days ago 132 comments
paaloeye 4 days ago | parent
2PqboPPmKegvanx 4 days ago | parent
1287-asf 4 days ago | parent
[x] Outsourcing identification to Internet companies (likely US).
[x] Outsourcing operational state of equipment to Internet companies (likely US).
[x] Displacing German and Danish workers with cheaper Poles.
[x] Cyber council member floats hybrid war rather than addressing its own incompetence.
[x] News comes from Kiev instead of Copenhagen.
paaloeye 4 days ago | parent
artisinal 4 days ago | parent
BlackRabbit1 4 days ago | parent
(Joking)
tete 4 days ago | parent
There were other laughable things like that.
But in a world dominated by FUD (that HTTPS connection that only allows one fingerprint needs to go over VPN, that SSH port cannot allowed to be reachable (but that gaping hole on HTTP(S) is fine), without a firewall that server is insecure, ...) that's not exactly surprising.
neoromantique 4 days ago | parent
>Kiev
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12sajh 4 days ago | parent
The spelling changed in 2022 and is hard to remember for those who don't make a living harassing EU citizens while blackmailing them for more money. You know what? Russia and Ukraine are really made for each other.
UpsideDownRide 4 days ago | parent
At the same time it's clear that it's not hopeless for those nations that choose to do something about it. Which is it for Ukraine remains to be seen. They are doing the correct first steo though. So there is that.
atleastoptimal 4 days ago | parent
1. Legacy firmware will be a bloodbath, leading to a consolidation of firms
2. All digital infrastructure will have an always on AI "shield" of agents that monitor and defend against attacks
3. The attacks that survive will depend on human points of failure, leading to less control for humans being the default
swingandamiss 4 days ago | parent
sippingabonedry 4 days ago | parent
Now you don't know what the hell to do.
233mhz 4 days ago | parent
What's stopping them from doing these right now? Script kiddies have basically reverse engineered the PS5 at that point, do you think state actors need better models?
TeMPOraL 4 days ago | parent
ben_w 4 days ago | parent
State actors could always spy on whoever they want, AI (between hacking into phones even when their country is not big enough to just lean on the Big Tech firms, TTS models, and LLMs) lets them spy on everyone at once.
Various people (not sure if "script kiddies" is fair) may have reverse engineered the PS5, but they don't generally waste time going after Z-list celebrities' own brand of smart light bulbs.
Just as a virus lets you attack all identical computers once you've written it, a sufficiently competent LLM lets you attack basically all computers identical or not.
bakies 4 days ago | parent
thinker34 4 days ago | parent
embedding-shape 4 days ago | parent
What do you expect UN Security Council to do here, really? Two of the permanent members are waging offensive wars without cause, and Russia keeps vetoing anything about Ukraine, and the US keeps vetoing anything about Gaza/Israel and Iran. What exactly could they realistically do, in your opinion?
fasterik 4 days ago | parent
allemagne 4 days ago | parent
Russia can withdraw today and all the fighting would stop immediately.
>All these sabotage acts will continue across the globe to drag more countries into the mix.
Russia can choose to stop these sabotage acts immediately.
>What is the UN Security council doing?. Nobody hears their efforts to stop anything
Russia doesn't need anyone's permission to stop the war immediately.
(But also, Russia is a founder and permanent member of the UNSC, so...)
lenerdenator 4 days ago | parent
And to them, that's a bad thing.
wojciii 4 days ago | parent
https://euvsdisinfo.eu/report/western-media-are-not-reportin...
The russian disinfo was flagged so I'm posting it here.
Full disclaimer: I'm in contact with the NAFO leadership. ;)
smw 4 days ago | parent
croes 4 days ago | parent
gus_massa 4 days ago | parent
The UN is a discussion forum, imagine "Reddit for countries". It's useful to coordinate some global actions like vaccines and stop small fights, but anyone with nukes can ignore it.
toast0 4 days ago | parent
Echoing what everyone else is saying:
The UN Security council has no effective power over the five permanent members (or those countries a permanent member wishes to protect). Of course it is doing nothing against Russia, USA, China, UK or France; it can't.
m4rtink 3 days ago | parent
toast0 3 days ago | parent
The deal for the less powerful governments is if they have a dispute with other less powerful governments, they can get it resolved by consensus of the big 5. If they have a dispute with a member of the big 5, there's an imbalance of power that the UN can't solve.
IMHO, this is better than the status quo from before the UN / League of Nations.
It might be nice to have an institution with the responsibility and ability to issue binding resolutions on all governments with regard to authorizing war/etc, but you can't really bind the big 5 (or at least the big 3) without their consent or overwhelming force.
mosesman 4 days ago | parent
When your fridges hit 50C, that’s not a bug... thats a hotfix
olelele 4 days ago | parent
fwip 4 days ago | parent
whynotmaybe 4 days ago | parent
TeMPOraL 4 days ago | parent
AnimalMuppet 4 days ago | parent
TeMPOraL 3 days ago | parent
Exceptions I've seen: some top-opened supermarket freezers (particularly with hinged, heavy doors), and most fridges in small shops. I've seen a few that could turn into pressure bombs this way, but I very much doubt these had any networking/remote control capabilities.
ben_w 4 days ago | parent
Though given how easy it is to make the error, "150" may have been a fat-finger typo for "50".
silver92bullet 4 days ago | parent
fodkodrasz 4 days ago | parent
krunck 4 days ago | parent
wojciii 4 days ago | parent
fodkodrasz 4 days ago | parent
frevib 4 days ago | parent
Empty shelves, no online ordering.
dang 4 days ago | parent
algoth1 4 days ago | parent
ErroneousBosh 4 days ago | parent
It is, isn't it?
Again.
edoceo 4 days ago | parent
dw_arthur 4 days ago | parent
kevdoran 4 days ago | parent
exe34 4 days ago | parent
IshKebab 3 days ago | parent
kevdoran 3 days ago | parent
kps 4 days ago | parent
Eh, that'll take care of itself when the sump pump loses power.
artrockalter 4 days ago | parent
embedding-shape 4 days ago | parent
Hence we need alternatives. P2P wireless (and wired) networks Freifunk, Guifi and NYCMesh are three that works today, in practice and in the real world. Contribute to them, learn from them, replicate them elsewhere, where you live.
quantified 4 days ago | parent
nradov 4 days ago | parent
ecocentrik 4 days ago | parent
krige 3 days ago | parent
sdcfgy 4 days ago | parent
We need more distribution for the sake of redundancy. Less large data centres and hyper scalers, more servers in a back office somewhere.
The internet itself is less of a problem. It’s where most of the traffic goes that is the problem.
rco8786 4 days ago | parent
sdcfgy 4 days ago | parent
robotnikman 4 days ago | parent
elictronic 4 days ago | parent
It's much easier to destroy the power generation for those data centers than the center itself, and power generation is much less redundant and more easily impacted. It can be highly visible if you are only hitting a few targets, but the actual impact ends up being pretty low.
tpm 3 days ago | parent
We wish, but that might not be true. Last year a South Korean government data center burned down and some data was lost forever with it. A few days ago, Ukraine attacked Yandex data centers (3 of them I think?) and some services stopped working, one of them a bank, so people can't get to their money, and it's not certain they will in the future.
Power generation generally seems to be much more redundant in that war. In part because Ukraine connects to the EU power grid and Russia itself has a huge grid. Sure for a small island country the situation would be different.
Good4boothee 3 days ago | parent
tantalor 4 days ago | parent
See "The Cuckoo's Egg" by Cliff Stoll
oldsklgdfth 4 days ago | parent
Imagine being a tech luddite. Flip phone, old PC you boot every time you want to use it, no internet presence.
You got to get produce on your bike and there's none because the fucking internet. This is the type of shit that tips people over the edge and go full Kaczynski.
Or if you're like me, maniacally laugh at the absurdity of over complicating basic infra.
jcomp 4 days ago | parent
twalla 4 days ago | parent
cenamus 4 days ago | parent
torben-friis 4 days ago | parent
We're about to hit a series of important elections as well (Spain, France, I think Germany soon as well?), hybrid warfare is supposed to influence in favor of extreme parties.
It's a major issue. On paper NATO can mop the floor with Russia even without the US backing, but nobody in a first world country wants to die in a ditch, and the endgame there is also unclear because Russia can play the nuke card if they're too threatened.
ben_w 4 days ago | parent
I think that was true a two years ago, but Russia has been forced to adapt to the drone warfare of Ukraine as much as Ukraine has been forced to adapt to the drone warfare of Russia.
I suspect that right now, both Ukraine and Russia have independently got armed forces which could wipe the floor with the rest of non-naval NATO forces. And I'm only giving a "possibly" for the naval exception because of their limited production rate of long-rage drones so saturation attacks may be harder, not that it's impossible: we can already see the US navy being forced into a much longer distance stand-off range vs. Iran.
That said, I'm getting this position mainly from watching Anders Puck Nielsen videos, so take with the usual scepticism/pinch of salt for "internet commenter/armchair general".
Jtsummers 4 days ago | parent
awakeasleep 4 days ago | parent
It's a perfect 'get out of jail free' card for any sufficiently complicated screw up.
jcomp 4 days ago | parent
This isn't to excuse Russia's abhorrent conduct elsewhere either, I'm just not entirely convinced by the boogeyman lazy journalists seem perfectly content to keep trotting out.
Havoc 3 days ago | parent
Though the US did most of the heavy lifting on undermining NATO for Russia already, so these grey zone attacks are just building on that.
armcat 4 days ago | parent
lifestyleguru 4 days ago | parent
ben_w 4 days ago | parent
lifestyleguru 4 days ago | parent
ben_w 4 days ago | parent
I wouldn't know, I don't use it.
Also, wouldn't know if he was on the mobile app rather than website. Which I also don't use, because I don't use X.
But it's up to him what he does, the mutual dislike you and I have of X has no sway over him.
rkagerer 4 days ago | parent
The capabilities of AI are bringing the power to exploit those a larger audience (where before it was in the limited hands of nation states and other well-funded organizations, hacker groups, and a comparatively few talented individuals).
I agree it's problematic in practice, but I'm hopeful this will catalyze everyone to be a hell of a lot more disciplined in hardening their products and platforms.
ifwinterco 4 days ago | parent
Also banks are more likely to take basic security seriously and not leave core services open to the public internet, even if the code itself is full of bugs.
On the other hand, running old software where the code is publicly available, on hardware connected to the internet - you are cooked
sublinear 4 days ago | parent
These cyberattacks are going after systems that barely even needed to exist in the first place, so of course they're insecure. In my opinion, this is a correction that was decades overdue. Either take your software seriously or don't bother at all. I'm surprised it took this long.
autoexec 4 days ago | parent
You'd think so but I've seen banks leave compromised systems on their network for months after they were notified about them, including ones being used in botnets. One bank had even been temporarily disconnected by their ISP to stop the spam/hacking leaving their network, but they said they didn't care because it was just their backup connection in case their other ISP went down.
pedro_caetano 3 days ago | parent
The main thing that changed is geopolitics. Putin is getting desperate and European attacks without full casus belli are getting messier and messier.
dekhn 4 days ago | parent
mbgerring 4 days ago | parent
It's very easy to see how this goes — one side of the ledger is the cost savings you get from remote monitoring, remote control, automated cloud backups of access logs from employee badges, or whatever dumb reason this system was internet-connected in the first place.
On the other side of the ledger is the potential cost and probability of a shutdown from a cyberattack, whether that's from a belligerent state actor, a malfunctioning or maliciously deployed AI agent swarm, weird accelerationist hackers, or whatever, plus the cost of constantly defending and hardening systems against attack.
Chances are, the cost/benefit analysis will heavily favor just unplugging the thing from the Internet.
paaloeye 3 days ago | parent
cromka 3 days ago | parent
Much smaller chance but still.
raxxorraxor 3 days ago | parent
danieltk76 4 days ago | parent
paaloeye 4 days ago | parent
pvaldes 3 days ago | parent
zombot 3 days ago | parent