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I use FairEmail in Android.

I have used Aquamail https://www.aqua-mail.com/android since the mid 2009 on my android devices. It's been solid and it is super customizable. I think the only downside is they changed their payment model a while back and if you didn't buy it back then it costs monthly fee or a $99.99 for a lifetime license. I highly recomend it if you do a lot of email on your phone.

Isnt K-9 Mail supposed to join forces with Thunderbird? K-9 Mail works fine for me.

I use k9/thunderbird for private mail. But for my org's on prem exchange account I use nine folders, as I also want to sync calendar and contacts. (We have a davmail gateway but it has quirks)

I use ProfiMail on Android. Loving the app since Symbian era. K9Mail is ok too.

K9 with the old interface, the original one.

I picked K9 among the other clients because of that interface so I was in that 50% of users that were pissed off by the new UI. Luckily email protocols did not change and I can still sideload the APK on all my devices.

It’s a turd of a program today, but it didn’t use to be. I bet that if you took one of the earliest versions from 20 years ago and fixed the security issues, you’d get a great email client, because that’s what Thunderbird once was and email itself has barely changed.

GMail search fundamentally has an advantage over a mobile email client as Google can and does maintain dedicated indexes for your email on their servers. While a mobile client could do the same, it's not really something that you want to do on a battery-powered device.

It would be a great thing for IMAP servers to do, but none of the major open source ones really take on that feature, and Google wants you in their web-client, so searches via IMAP are low-quality at best.

I would totally use TheBat on Windows

Much more than UIKit, SwiftUI enables the web front-end mentality that mandates no stone be left without a custom style. It's one reason that I'm not particularly fond of it.

Betterbird exists actually and they fix bugs like that, which Mozilla just refuses to address for whatever reason

I just checked (the desktop version) and right clicking and using "search messages" also does not use the global index and does not do stemming. It is sieve, which has issues (no way to search based on DMARC authenticated exact email address, which is something basic that email search should really provide) but does cover a lot of search. You can save common searches as folders, though frustratingly "search messages" does not appear on those saved searches; it would be quite convenient if it did and started a search pre-filling the saved settings. I had actually forgotten that the global search exists so I turned it off (at the bottom of general settings).

Netflix used to have codes you can search that were by category. I think it might work work on browser. Was a much better way to discover stuff (there's way more categories than you would expect)

Searching the same codes on an Apple TV is a very weird experience. It seems to sort of start to recognise what you're doing and then also give you a random assortment of the same crap it thinks your account wants to see.

The official explanation is as follows:

    If your e-mail provider supports it, Customize From Address allows you to make a one-off minor alteration to your From address without having to create a new identity in Account Settings. For example, if your From address is John Doe <john@example.com> you may want to change it to John Doe <john+doe@example.com> or John <john@example.com>.

My usecase: I have one email account with multiple aliases.

I added it to iOS mail with the main alias. I registered to my bank using a secondary address, a more "neutral toned", also one I'd expect to be sold to data brokers, and would be willing to abandon easily if started to get too much spam...

Now the banking app is pretty... ripe for improvement.

I report a bug in the app, and the way it happens: it throws up an email editor, with debug info attached to a partially pre-filled form mail. However if its sender is not the alias I set up at the bank, it will get rejected, and will have to do lots if identification turns etc...

Apple mail does not let you set up aliases for an account, I'd need to log in twice to the same account to be able to do this. Also apple mail is a piece of ... modern outlook, to be really rude, so I'm interested in alternatives.

Use whatever identity you want. A server that you don't personally own will not normally allow that however. One more reason to self-host email.

If you ask me for a contact email I will tell you something like jaksmit5@basilikum.monster. Editing the FROM field allows me to write an email to you.

If you ever start sending me spam I can just block that address. Especially helpful with companies.

You can also use it for sorting emails.

It's honestly a basic feature of an email client. Even if you don't have your own domain stuff like the plus sign for aliases exists with many providers (or at least with gmail).

You can enter any email address in that field:

any-user@any-domain.any-tld

Can be an alias, can be a catch-all email on your domain. Select the right email account (here, email account ≠ email address) with the right pre-configured credentials and that email will be sent, if not it will fail as it should.

It’s that simple and basic feature. But apparently email clients decided that’s not the right way and they make you pre-add every single bloody email address you ever want to use — this is specially painful for personal domains and catch-all addresses, especially the one-off ones.

If you use subadressing you need it to reply with the same address.

If by "input box" you mean "drop down list" and by "anything" you mean "any of my account's configured email addresses" then yes.. but FastMail doesn't just let you put anything in the From field - on the web or Android as far as what my subscription shows me.

The Thunderbird from field is free text. You get a warning about your server having to support it though.

> it doesn't do

For a company focused on privacy, I'd love GnuPG integrated into the mail app.

it's also much too trusting of the senders From field. I get emails all the time that look like they come from Apple or a bank, etc. I have to tap the name before it shows the actual from address.

I agree, I often find what I am searching for quicker by using the Gmail app instead.

Preside can. I thought spark could too

There's too much chrome. There's no way that I've ever been able to find to remove the fat fixed message header in reading view to see more of the message.

I do not like the vertical tabs at all

Have you seen the new Nova theme? It’s horrible, especially with vertical tabs.

I'm with you and honestly I think most people are. Frankly, I'm pretty certain that for 90% of users of you swapped chrome for Firefox, replacing the icons too, then people wouldn't notice. I'd wager 80% of HN users.

It's such a petty argument when everything is so hackable and Google is eating the internet. I wish people would put half the energy they use to complain to solve the things they are upset about.

Just because you can’t see it doesn’t mean it isn’t ugly for others. Or will you just not allow others to have this opinion?

It’s ugly.

The new sidebar design was unnecesary, a waste of space, and the rounded corner cutting into the website is flair with no functional purpose.

The fact that I've historically needed to monkey patch the Firefox chrome CSS (and will have to again to remove the unnecessary bar left of tree-style-tabs) would to me imply poor design.

I'll throw my nickel to this comment. I use swaywm with i3bar, you literally can go lower with that taste but I'm at least aware and honest with my taste. Dia looks like ChatGPT web client. It's mediocre at best

These emails are hilarious - what is this screenshot from ?

Most people don't like Zen (or Arc). Which is fine. I'm a big keyboard person so I love it, especially with the vimium plugin. But sometimes people get confused at my browser because they don't know how to navigate. Which is understandable

What I like about Mozilla is they made a hackable browser so we can have things like Zen, WaterFox, or whatever floats your boat.

GASP!

Here's the HN thread about the rebrand that "many people actually loved for its ingenuity" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13425380

There is some praise but it's mostly the same complaints that come up whenever Mozilla gets mentioned on HN, it's awful, I can't believe they've done this, millions wasted etc.

What stops you from using these multiple addresses within iOS Mail?

  - Search is atrocious
    - I can't find emails from this week but it'll dig up stuff from 5 years ago
  - no tagging
  - no filtering (tbf, this could be a lot better in most platforms)
  - Mail automatically renders PDFs (helps spammers)
  - doesn't play well with aliased emails

We'll look into it! We'd love this to work for our customers.

It depends on your provider, unfortunately. If you use their iCloud mail service, search works fine – it appears to have some way to do server-side search for their own email.

I don’t know what most do, but I certainly prefer the default Mail.app over the vendor-specific mail apps.

If you’re already using one of the major providers (GMail, Outlook365, etc.), there isn’t much to configure; you go to Mail Accounts, click your provider like Google or Microsoft, and login on their website to authenticate.

Absolutely not. I see a huge number of iPhone users for in person tech support and most use the Apple Mail app. These are ordinary people who know nothing about pocket computers.

I recently switched from android back to iOS and tried to use mail.app for everything, as I rather like it.

Unfortunately it doesn’t sync properly with Gmail. I am in the process of de-googling my life so that’s okay with me. I use mail.app with my fastmail account and it’s perfect.

> Do most Apple users not just use the Gmail apps and web app?

People here are discussing email apps, not Gmail apps.

Gmail apps only work with 1 provider (gmail), while email apps works with all email providers.

Isn't a lot of that just the suckiness of the IMAP protocol? Mozilla is pushing to add JMAP support to Thunderbird, and they're planning on using it in their upcoming Thundermail hosted email service.

> K9 and Thunderbird on Android suck.

Is there anything better though?

I don't understand how scrolling is so bad. There's some kind of frame-in-a-frame effect where both frames try to scroll at the same time, and it just rapidly blinks one of the scroll bars on the edge.

Why would you ever need to search emails more than maybe a day or two old?

Search on desktop thunderbird sucks too. I wanted to find an email with file://foo/bar, but it ignored the non latin characters and still couldn't find it. I gave up and grepped the mbox archive instead.

I'm sorry, are you claiming that Apple Mail has good search? Like, the thing that had search so bad that they had to explain that they had once again fixed search in the latest OS on stage at WWDC?

> why the hell would I sign up for a service that does what email/IMAP does in the first place?

I don't know nor use the app promoted by GP, but in general the problem with apple is that they don't support the standard email/IMAP push, and only some 3rd parties have approval to use the non-standard apple email push (Fastmail I think). So people have come up with ways to get around apple's arbitrary restrictions.

> a service that does what email/IMAP does in the first place?

Haven’t dug into this yet, but are you saying it isn’t a pure eMail client? That it’s a service to which you bodily hand off all your eMail passwords, and therefore the keys to your digital kingdom? That it’s someone else’s computer that’s retrieving your eMails for you?

Holy shite, how _stupid_ are people?

Like, holy MiTM exploiting, Batman. I would NEVER hand off eMail access to a third party. That’s begging to have your entire online existence destroyed.

I also noticed a very slow refresh in Finder since like 5 years ago. Apple clearly needs to fix those issues, maybe using some LLM if they can‘t do it by hand anymore.

I’ve seen this too. Finder is useless when copying a large amount of files -- especially small ones.

Used to work at the Apple store and it was incredible how a handful of customers dropped thousands of files onto the desktop which in turn brought Finder to its knees.

Probably generating thumbnails or indexing is my unscientific guess

AFAIK it works with the Gmail app on iOS, so hopefully yes.