YHK - yet another hacker news clone

AI is not a normal technology

14 points theahura 2 hours ago 25 comments

streetcat1 1 hour ago | parent

AI can do anything that it was trained on based on humans. As soon as humans are not involved, AI will have nothing to train on, and hence, the rate of improvement will approch zero, and the AI will collapse.

Rover222 48 minutes ago | parent

what a dumb thing to keep repeating at this point

jazzpush2 40 minutes ago | parent

Just ignoring all the recently solved math problems human, huh?

tacomonstrous 36 minutes ago | parent

If you understood how they were solved, you'd see that you're only bolstering the point you were responding to.

bpodgursky 22 minutes ago | parent

Human knowledge races up to the frontier through formal education and then nudges past the frontier a little bit at a time and AI will train on AI outputs that do the same. But, it will do it 1000x faster than humans because that's just how they work.

charcircuit 19 minutes ago | parent

>1000x faster than humans

Some of the process of expanding the frontier is not parallelizable and is built on top of previous discoveries. And pushing the frontier requires doing things in the real world, or running experiments that take significant real world time that can hurt your 1000x faster claim.

needfish 1 hour ago | parent

I wish AI could do my chores. Laundry, folding clothes, dishes, cleaning... That would be nice.

Founderarcstone 1 hour ago | parent

one day soon, right?

georgemcbay 54 minutes ago | parent

> I wish AI could do my chores. Laundry, folding clothes, dishes, cleaning... That would be nice.

Sorry, AI only does the fun stuff.

Off to the silica sand mines with you and the rest of the meat bags to keep the AI well fed.

Rover222 47 minutes ago | parent

this will of course happen in a few years...

dd8601fn 37 minutes ago | parent

Won’t matter. Most of us won’t have paychecks to buy it with.

Kidding (…kinda).

arcanemachiner 43 minutes ago | parent

If it does that, you should hope it can also stand in bread lines for you too.

myko 41 minutes ago | parent

literally the only thing i want out of ai ^^^^

that said, it is fun generating code with them

voidhorse 25 minutes ago | parent

Unfortunately that will never happen because the people who stand to benefit most from AI already have cost-efficient (see grossly underpaid) humans to do this for them.

They need AI to replace the expensive not cost-effective humans.

charcircuit 23 minutes ago | parent

Washing machines, dish washers, power washers, etc exist.

daft_pink 23 minutes ago | parent

I think what you are missing is that it will dramatically lower the cost of living so that everyone’s standard of living increases. It’s not about jobs.

irishloop 21 minutes ago | parent

I don't think there's any particularly good evidence of this other than blind optimism.

dosisking 11 minutes ago | parent

> I think what you are missing is that it will dramatically lower the cost of living so that everyone’s standard of living increases. It’s not about jobs

This is flat out wrong. The problem is excessive taxation and government spending beyond its means that lowers everyone's standard of living.

zobzu 7 minutes ago | parent

that's not how it works. you get better tech for the same or more work and you can work longer before you die.

if you are no longer needed, you won't be allowed to live.

makes me chuckle every time folks think humans who get to power are nice.

demibabs 20 minutes ago | parent

What happens if there are no more humans in the loop, and instead of building on human work, models have to build on their own work? Would we get stuck in a local maxima?

When AI labs talk about “long-horizon tasks”, they mean tasks on the order of a few days. But what about keeping coherence across decades, like humans can? Models are not trained or tested on the ability to do that, and it seems unlikely that capability would naturally exist.

darkerside 8 minutes ago | parent

Coherence is a given... What we lose over decades is alignment.

octoberfranklin 16 minutes ago | parent

New is never normal.

I stopped reading when the author became overwhelmed by their compulsion to blame everything in the universe to the current US president.

applfanboysbgon 6 minutes ago | parent

> the people who are grasping for some indication that AI can’t do everything have become increasingly desperate. If you push hard enough, the answer is inevitably something like “the AI simply cannot [dream, love, laugh],”

Dogshit strawman article. I am willing to concede that a token predictor is better than you at whatever task you can dream up. It is not better than me, and will never be better than me.