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Romania soccer introduces black card to 'combat abusive behaviour' from parents

28 points thunderbong 57 minutes ago 12 comments

hakunin 24 minutes ago | parent

I wonder how would this work in terms of fairness to the team that's likely to win. If a match is abandoned, what does it mean for progressing in a tournament, etc. Could there be a perverse incentive to cause a black card to abort a lost game? I'm sure this has all been thought through, but the article doesn't seem to say anything about it.

ycombinete 20 minutes ago | parent

One can imagine overzealous parents tactically causing a scene to nullify a match result.

sixo 17 minutes ago | parent

I imagine this is the referee's call; a ref ought to know better than to abort the game because the losing team is throwing a tactical tantrum.

qsort 6 minutes ago | parent

Quoting from the official website:

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The new procedure targets inappropriate behavior by parents and spectators directed at children, coaching staff members, referees, match officials, or other parents and spectators. This includes, but is not limited to:

Verbal abuse (insults or profanity), as well as physical assault or shoving of one’s own children;

Verbal abuse, physical assault, or shoving of staff members of one’s own team;

Verbal abuse, physical assault, or shoving of players or staff members of the opposing team;

Continuous challenging, verbal abuse, physical assault, or shoving of referees and match officials;

Verbal or physical altercations with other parents or spectators.

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If that's the situation in, and it can't be stressed enough, a children soccer game, then yes, abandoning the match is probably the right choice. I assume they are only defining a formal procedure for practices that already exist.

layer8 23 minutes ago | parent

https://archive.ph/o4V1W

layer8 20 minutes ago | parent

Actual source article: https://www.frf.ro/en/frf-introduces-the-black-card-to-comba...

applfanboysbgon 18 minutes ago | parent

> The black card being brandished will be the final part of a three-step process. In the first instance, the referee will temporarily suspend the match and ask coaches to speak directly to its team’s supporters and parents, while an announcement will also be communicated to supporters should a public address system be available.

> Should the behaviour continue, the referee will suspend the match for 10 minutes and send the teams off the pitch to their dressing room while once again asking coaches to attempt to de-escalate the behaviour of those in the stands.

> The FRF then detail the process behind using the black card as the final step: “If abusive behaviour persists after play resumes, the referee blows the final whistle. The match is permanently abandoned and cannot be resumed.”

Why is the remedy not simply ejecting the offenders? They get three chances to cancel the game, with the entirety of the punishments being towards people who did nothing wrong?

beart 8 minutes ago | parent

From my experience, the refs typically assign responsibility to the head coach of the team the fans represent. It's not the refs job to manage the fans. They are there to manage the game. If the coach or staff determine the problem fans should be removed, they can do that.

Fred27 7 minutes ago | parent

If it's anything like the UK then it's likely the games are played in a public space like a park, so it might not be possible to eject the parent.

mbreese 4 minutes ago | parent

This is a common misconception. The referee has no control over who is in the stands - they are “outside agents”. Many people think that the referee can eject a spectator, but they can’t. The referee only has authority over the players and coaches.

This is why the first remedy is to ask the coaches to get their parents under control. In general, if the abuse continues, the coach can be carded as that’s the only person the ref can discipline.

sippingabonedry 3 minutes ago | parent

Black card, huh?

Makes all that effort a minute ago to remove the word 'black' from all software code, open-source and proprietary alike, pretty darn useless.

Still trying to wrap my head around what a 'primary password' is.