66 points bookofjoe 2 hours ago 53 comments
bookofjoe 2 hours ago | parent
wallkroft 1 hour ago | parent
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amelius 1 hour ago | parent
thfuran 58 minutes ago | parent
derwiki 1 hour ago | parent
BlackRabbit1 1 hour ago | parent
Either via permanent 4G/5G link or during service intervals in the shop.
Source: I analyzed these data as an intern for one.
everyone 1 hour ago | parent
https://youtu.be/Ft12aZffCEg?si=qP1J5k6RXAxmZChf
herbst 1 hour ago | parent
But it never is economical or more environmental friendly.
Whatever I saved on my old car compared to a newer one will never be less than the theoretical fuel savings on a newer car. Repair costs will never be as much (assuming you buy a popular repair friendly car). And nothing new needs to be built for me either.
thrownawaysz 1 hour ago | parent
Talking as an eastern european: unless you live in a sunshine place (~Mediterranean) most of the 90s car already eaten by the rust + the salt used for defrosting on roads in the winter.
Also by my experience cars (except from SUVs) somehow never kept up with the road quality. Pot holes are a problem everywhere but you can see that certain brands for example japanese and korean ones never designed for deteriorating road quality (and I don't mean offroad) because... you know they just don't exist in the home market. So the tires, wheels, suspension are not as robust as they should be.
Sure _everything can be fixed_ but then your car becomes a hobby and might not everyone has an attitude and time for that.
wkjagt 1 hour ago | parent
tomrod 1 hour ago | parent
Obviously it would be better to have this action be illegal. But with legal privacy protections eroding in the US and other countries, it seems prudent to have a better understanding of the systems involved in the immoral surveillance.
schmeichel 1 hour ago | parent
forgetfreeman 1 hour ago | parent
tomrod 1 hour ago | parent
It also seems to conflict with `right-to-repair` laws if the capability is legally required.
cucumber3732842 1 hour ago | parent
The near universal proliferation of owner's associations and management groups and whatnot for developments larger than ~1ac (the EPA threshold, some states/towns have lower) is something you can lay at the feet of the Clean Water Act and it's implementation and precedents over the following decades.
The exact area of the buildings, the driveways, the community park and gazebo, etc, etc, are necessary features of the site plan that makes the math that is required to meet stormwater/environmental requirements. And and some legal entity has to be responsible for that in perpetuity. Enter the HOA. This is also why HOAs often won't allow you to expand your driveway or add a non-permeable patio, it could (prob not, but still) ruin the environmental calculations they're responsible for enforcing as a condition.
I'm not nearly as familiar with car regulatory stuff but I would bet a lot of money that they're using OTA telematics to check some sort of compliance box...
thfuran 1 hour ago | parent
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calvinmorrison 1 hour ago | parent
An obvious thing may be to say the software must be published or the spec released, but we've had computers in cars since the 80s. It seems like a tall task but people can and do reverse engineer entire ECU systems (See Trionic Tuning)
Another seemingly very obvious one - requiring manufacturers to publish specifications regarding ALL OBD interface options. Of course this immediately runs into trouble. Saab for example gated features of the security system to prevent key reprogramming, swapping of certain components without a dial out to the internet using specific saab software that runs on a laptop and interfaces.
willis936 1 hour ago | parent
WarmWash 1 hour ago | parent
derwiki 1 hour ago | parent
WarmWash 1 hour ago | parent
Their is a cell modem in the car, so all these features are available anywhere the car has cell service.
slau 5 minutes ago | parent
Although it wasn’t worth the cost of the 3 year subscription so I now just estimate the charge status based on the charge’s power consumption.
If the car is at 10% battery, it may be worth charging at .15 or .3€/kWh. If it’s at 70% charge, I’ll wait until the price drops to .005€/kWh. The whole thing is automated in HA.
natch 1 hour ago | parent
skrause 51 minutes ago | parent
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mnmalst 49 minutes ago | parent
SirHackalot 38 minutes ago | parent
The fact that you even said that with a straight face. If you buy a Tesla in >2025 you’re morally bankrupt. Yeah… I’d rather my data get sold than support any Musk-led company.
jeffbee 1 hour ago | parent
VCFundedGenYer 1 hour ago | parent
2. Car companies bypass CarPlay/Android Auto with their own head units with software that executes before the projection software does.
jeffbee 48 minutes ago | parent
thepryz 1 hour ago | parent
Cider9986 1 hour ago | parent
Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?
amelius 1 hour ago | parent
I'm going to pirate shit until this is fixed.
bitparadox 57 minutes ago | parent
I have a seven year old Volkswagen, not financed. I'm security conscious and made sure to disable all the data collection I could find in the companion app before removing my account, turn off remote access services, dig through the infotainment to turn off what I could, etc.
Last year I requested a Carfax on it, and one of the fields in the request was current mileage. I entered an estimate like 75000 miles. On form submission, that field failed validation with red subtext along the lines of 'this is less than the last reported mileage of 75345, reported <5 or so days prior>'. Checking my odometer and looking at my past few days' trips, that was indeed accurate.
The car hadn't been to a shop or out of my possession in weeks, so I can only assume the telemetry was still dialing home and selling to third parties despite my best efforts to disable it.
kaladin-jasnah 51 minutes ago | parent
It's still better than other modern cars though? I think.
hughes 49 minutes ago | parent
> third-party partners process information about you and how you use our services, including clicks and screen recordings, using first and third-party cookies, pixels, and similar technologies
heaney-555 47 minutes ago | parent
Simulacra 29 minutes ago | parent