71 points rguiscard 2 hours ago 25 comments

bentt 1 hour ago | parent

very cool! Can we get a link to a not terrible website with real information?

cwillu 1 hour ago | parent

Bold of you to assume there is real information behind this.

nomilk 53 minutes ago | parent

> Performing security verification

> Verify you are human

Does anyone else command + w on first sight of a cloudflare screen?

gonight 41 minutes ago | parent

I'll tolerate that but that new QR recaptcha that wants a selfie is 'hell fucking no' from me 100% of the time.

CamperBob2 19 minutes ago | parent

I sure hope humans are in the loop at those companies, reviewing pics that aren't recognized as faces. If I ever see one of those captchas, they'll get to see some things that no human has ever, or should ever, see.

CamperBob2 20 minutes ago | parent

Nah, I just have my clanker deal with it. It's better at those stupid puzzles than I am.

ssl-3 1 hour ago | parent

> Ángela Karime Venegas Hernández is 16 years old and has an idea no one else had.

...meanwhile, some folks at George Mason University were doing this back in 2015[1]:

> The fire extinguisher uses low-frequency sound waves to douse a blaze. Engineering seniors Viet Tran and Seth Robertson now hold a preliminary patent application for their potentially revolutionizing device.

[]: https://patents.google.com/patent/US10569115B2/en

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPVQMZ4ikvM

Anduia 50 minutes ago | parent

US military showed a version in 2012 [1], and there is a DARPA report[2]

That said, it's a solid student project. I'm sure she'll do well at university.

[1]: https://www.ifsecglobal.com/uncategorized/soundwaves-a-new-p...

[2]: https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/FOID/Reading%20...

joeypickles 35 minutes ago | parent

It’s frustrating that the site wrote that. I’d wager a taco that she never made that claim.

frickinLasers 1 hour ago | parent

I wonder if she got the idea from https://www.sonicfiretech.com/

cactusplant7374 1 hour ago | parent

> Ángela Karime Venegas Hernández is 16 years old and has an idea no one else had.

Hate to be a downer, but this has been done before.

https://acoustics.org/pressroom/httpdocs/150th/Plaks.html

keithnz 1 hour ago | parent

for sure, a whole bunch of videos on youtube of various people using acoustics to put out fire. Including MythBusters https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2niANODOvJc

gblargg 59 minutes ago | parent

But by a 16 year-old Mexican female?

cwillu 1 hour ago | parent

Pangram reports 100% AI; it may be an artifact of translation, but...

nilslindemann 59 minutes ago | parent

Well, a search for "youtube acoustic fire extinguisher" indicates it has already been invented a few times by people all over the world. The most interesting video is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvnCQg4w4o8

mulanroo 50 minutes ago | parent

The reason this keeps getting reinvented is that the physics only half works. Sound disrupts the flame's boundary layer and separates it from the fuel, but it removes almost no heat. The fuel stays above its ignition temperature, so anything hot nearby relights it the second the speaker stops. DARPA demoed this in 2012 and it stalled there. Impressive on a small liquid fuel fire in a lab, very hard to scale to anything you'd actually want to put out.

bawolff 37 minutes ago | parent

out of curiosity, would something like this hurt a human? I assume the sound waves must be pretty powerful to put out a fire.

kevin_nisbet 34 minutes ago | parent

Not exactly acoustic but reminds me of a high school science project we had one year, something along the lines of put out a candle with a contraption. My partner and I rigged up a balloon to be popped by the candle, and the balloon pop blows out the candle. Probably not an original idea, but I don't think any other group in the class tried a similar approach. Worked like a charm.

Animats 34 minutes ago | parent

This seems to be a known technology but hasn't made it as a product.[1] It might have potential for very specific types of extinguishing, such as grills and grain silos, where the distance from extinguisher to trouble spot is fixed.

[1] https://www.mdpi.com/2571-6255/8/4/129

spottedmarley 29 minutes ago | parent

Oooh.. from the title I thought this was about an extinguisher for when your guitar catches fire. Makes more sense now

rootedbox 27 minutes ago | parent

At other frequencies, sound can actually intensify flames, depending on the surrounding environment. Standing waves and the frequency of the sound (FM) are likely factors in this phenomenon. However, it’s not advisable to use sound as a method for extinguishing fires.

dosisking 24 minutes ago | parent

Instead of FM, maybe they can just use an AY-3-8910?

copper-float 4 minutes ago | parent

Why does it matter that she's Mexican?

ajkjk 1 minute ago | parent

Steretyped as less of a STEM country, probably accurately, so it gives people hope and optimism to hear about cool inventions from there.

But you probably knew that.